Originally Posted By DlandDug >><<(Disclosure: I am a satisfied member of DVC. Welcome HOME!) << stick around DD-- there are those here that will convince you that cannot be << Note that I said "satisfied," not deliriously happy...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 It's the people willing to not take a Disney vacation, even though they have the means, that Disney ought to really consider --- I am willing to bet however that the AP's and DVCers - rabid as they are also spend very heavily on food and trinkets. Also many DVCers 'add on' so they are future customers and 'salesmen' as well. truth is they likely listen only slightly to anyone....
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I like this Leemac so much better than the circa 2003 version ... this one makes sense (almost) all the time! --- only vaguely remember the 2003 version since that is when I started here..but this one is very good>> We could start a fan club ... he could be a Celebrity LPer like his pal Celebrity Imagineer Tony Baxter! ;-)
Originally Posted By DlandDug Disney has also made any number of highly publicized and fairly expensive efforts to reach beyond their base and encompass those-who-still-resist-the-Mouse. What has it gotten us? A bunch of Annie Liebowitz pictures of embarassed looking celebrities. I think Disney should keep doing what they do best-- create great entertainment and let the money guys synergize it to death. The more great entertainment properties, the less likely that everything will be smothered before the next round starts...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>Wrong, VBDAD. It is simple. You can't run a creative enterprise like WDW ... something living, breathing, organic in its own way without feeding it capital. << boy you sure are sure of everything you say - at the risk of being WRONG again in your mind- I can tell you I work for the company that files the most patents almost every year- it is creative also- and for some periods of time a LOT less money is invested than others based on the economic conditions. Can it be done long term- absolutely not..but then you are RIGHT on everythng. I bow to your knowledge of corporate America btw - I knew how thrilled you were that Lee explained the bottom line feeds all parts-- I notice however you refuse to acknowledge the $2.1 B laid out for HK and DCA. Yes, I will keep bringing it up until that is acknowledged as a huge sum of venture capital. You can't have it both ways- sorry
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I wonder if it is the APs or the DVC buyers Disney really listens to. The more I think about it, they already have their money -- a sizeable chunk of those folks are uber-fans. They live for Disney and will support them no matter what. They're buying past memories as much, if not more, than future experiences.>> Toony ... that's some great stuff. Dead on. I see it with folks who treat Disney like a religion or political affiliation ... they scare me ... they made up a good 25% of the folks I cruised to Barcelona on the Magic with in April. As soon as you say anything remotely critical, they want to burn you at the stake ... they are living in some past world. Remembering how long deceased parents took them to WDW ... or how they went on their first adult vacation at the Poly back in 1994 etc ... This is why you hear 'nostalgia' and 'retro' tossed around so much in Disney circles these days.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I am willing to bet however that the AP's and DVCers - rabid as they are also spend very heavily on food and trinkets.<< No doubt about it. There's a reason why Disney keeps constructed more DVC and selling more APs every year -- it's money in the bank. That's why I always get a chuckle when that Disney-site-that-must-not-be-named talks about how the "suits" are "concerned about the number of APs" and are looking for ways to cut down the number of AP holders. LOL! Concerned that there isn't more of 'em is more like it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Spirit- I actually thought that was someone else's post due to the nature of it-- this is not like you --I am not sure why you have leapt off the ledge on this one-- you are ussually more reasonable on things like this..don't get caught up in the rhetoric
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>We could start a fan club ... he could be a Celebrity LPer like his pal Celebrity Imagineer Tony Baxter! ;-) << will you create a charter member pin ?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>What has it gotten us?<< Things that aren't based on endless nostalgia or self-referential and "inside" jokes.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<boy you sure are sure of everything you say - at the risk of being WRONG again in your mind- I can tell you I work for the company that files the most patents almost every year- it is creative also- and for some periods of time a LOT less money is invested than others based on the economic conditions. Can it be done long term- absolutely not..but then you are RIGHT on everythng. I bow to your knowledge of corporate America>> I like bowing. Shows me the proper amount of respect. I'll issue a decree so everyone has to bow before responding to my posts! ;-) <<btw - I knew how thrilled you were that Lee explained the bottom line feeds all parts-- I notice however you refuse to acknowledge the $2.1 B laid out for HK and DCA. Yes, I will keep bringing it up until that is acknowledged as a huge sum of venture capital. You can't have it both ways- sorry>> Actually, I left that for Lee to 'splain because he knows the ins and outs far more than I do. But I will say the DCA number of yours is lower than what has/will be spent if that makes you feel any better. And what is happening at those resorts shouldn't affect what isn't happening at WDW ... one isn't even majority-owned by Disney, it is owned by the Chinese government so deals are structured differently because of it ...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "But small additions that hare needed here or there isn't going to bankrupt a company like Disney." is exactly what you said - and when I questioned that - you immediately made an exception..see I know you are more reasonable than this... "Different situation. MK is the one park that without a doubt is dying for an E-ticket." so the statement gets changed as soon as an example is given. Face it, you are spoiled with the WWoHP- and from what I understand wouldn't be. So let's be honest about what it will take..because your first statement has already been proven false. if it was DHS - it wouldn't apply because because it is so disjoined and not enough streetmosphere it it was AK it would not be enough because I have already read in this thread it sholdn't even have been built and it doesn't apply because it is not a full day park there is always some reason for exeption.. I think you have to be honest - small changes are not going to be enough I don't begrudge you that opinion, but let's just be up front on what it enough
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit- I actually thought that was someone else's post due to the nature of it-- this is not like you --I am not sure why you have leapt off the ledge on this one-- you are ussually more reasonable on things like this..don't get caught up in the rhetoric>> Last post since I have dinner plans (yes, with fellow LPers!) ... but I am very bitter and angry with what I see daily in this country ... things get worse ... not better ... here in FLA we have corrupt judges and banks stealing houses that are NOT even in forclosure and handing them to others as if this were Nazi Germany and no one seems to care (is everyone on Rush Limbaugh's cocktail of meds?) ... it all makes me sick and sad ... and when I see WDW crumbling in so many ways ... and stale and being mismanaged so, so, so badly, it gets to me when I hear folks defending that ... or suggesting what we need to be is conservative ... can't spend. I'm sorry, VBDAD, if I came off harshly ... but I believe that we as a nation need to be spending on our needs (and not, say, letting someone's home burn down because they owed a $75 tax) and I believe TWDC needs to be doing likewise on its very tired and stale flagship resort. Now ... should be interesting dinner.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>Disney doesn't give a damn about its cast or its guests. It cares about making the most money possible for its top shareholders and execs and making Wall Street analysts, who have no clue about entertainment largely because they possess no hearts or souls. Don't make this about 'if Disney added an E-Ticket then 6,754 people would have to be laid off ... or grandma would lose her investment and have to eat cat food' ... it's simplistic and not accurate< I guess the days not so long ago when companies pension plans were dumping Disney stock left and right and we almost because Comcast's WDW @ Orlando have slipped your mind. Eisner was not producing results and the investors were running for the hills. I seem to remember it well- and I know once you get past this bout of anti DVC-hotel you will remember that too. Some pension funds lost significant monies- I am not here to comment on the soulessness of Wall Street..that would be a losing argument - I agree
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<and when I questioned that - you immediately made an exception..see I know you are more reasonable than this...>> I see you ignored the part where I said the new plans for FLE are something that is good and the park needs. Bravo. But I would have liked to see a true E in there somewhere. << Face it, you are spoiled with the WWoHP>> Please explain. <<if it was DHS - it wouldn't apply because because it is so disjoined and not enough streetmosphere>> Nope. DHS needs small additions to round the park out. Nice little dark rides here or there. It's already got 4 E-tickets as is. <<it it was AK it would not be enough because I have already read in this thread it sholdn't even have been built and it doesn't apply because it is not a full day park>> I really don't get what you're trying to say here, so I'm just going to explain what I believe DAK needs. DAK needs Pandas, a dark ride, and maybe something to replace Dinorama. <<there is always some reason for exeption.. I think you have to be honest - small changes are not going to be enough>> Whatever you say, vbdad.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<And what is happening at those resorts shouldn't affect what isn't happening at WDW ... one isn't even majority-owned by Disney, it is owned by the Chinese government so deals are structured differently because of it ...<< now wait- where did the $2.2B come from ? Lee has said some of that likely even came from DVC sales you know. The pot of money is not neverending..that really is simple..
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<I'm sorry, VBDAD, if I came off harshly ... but I believe that we as a nation need to be spending on our needs (and not, say, letting someone's home burn down because they owed a $75 tax) and I believe TWDC needs to be doing likewise on its very tired and stale flagship resort. << that's cool because I know that is not you..and likewise on the response. if it is like here you are likely being bombarded by poiltical lies on TV 24x7 right now before the election. The only difference maybe between you and I on that one is I believe neither party as I have plenty of experience with each...but trust neither as far as I can heave them
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I am worried that people will get left behind as the polarisation and selfishness of conservatism takes hold. Better to take risks and live than to exist and diminish in fear. Who dares wins! << Dave why in the HELL can't you leave politics out of a discussion about Disney.
