New DVC a done deal ...

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

With all of this hotel expansion...can the parks take it? Do we have the capacity?

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

<<they are separate issues- DVC and park enhancements/maintenance.>>

No, they're not.
--- please share with me the corporate viewpoint information as to how they are the same issue..I would like to hear that explained please.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

With all of this hotel expansion...can the parks take it? Do we have the capacity?
---------------- again a valid question I agree and hopefully there are studies for that. Do we also know that more DVC's won't be replacing existing aging facilities at some point ? Would be nice to have the complete strategic plan info when making judgements.. maybe it will result in too much capacity, maybe it won't based on a lot of what if's.

there are plenty of valid questions on the DVC growth- for some trying to tie it to lack of maintenance or additional attractions however that argument just won't fly.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

What I would like to know is what will DVC owners think when quality starts to go down. At least with my Marriott ownership in France, there are plenty of other cool places I can go as DLP continues to diminish in quality. The same cannot be said for the swamps of Florida. I really hope the DVC owners start to give Disney a hard time about the quality issues in the parks.

 

Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

Seems odd that after the addition of The Wizarding World of Harry Potter, Disney responds with timeshares. Is Voldemort at Disney?

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>---------------- again a valid question I agree and hopefully there are studies for that. Do we also know that more DVC's won't be replacing existing aging facilities at some point ? Would be nice to have the complete strategic plan info when making judgements.. maybe it will result in too much capacity, maybe it won't based on a lot of what if's. <<<<

Agreed. All these rooms...People have to go SOMEWHERE. With 4 parks that have stayed the same since 1998, do we have the room?

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

I really hope the DVC owners start to give Disney a hard time about the quality issues in the parks.
--- what makes you think they do not today Dave ? When I first bought the arguments against were that someone DVC owners were either elitist and bought only because they were somehow blinded by pixie dust.
--today we are suddenly part of the evil plot to keep rides and attractions out of the parks and company lackies that turn a blind eye toward everything...sorry I don't get it.

Most DVC owners are very very demanding ( maybe we are elitist afterall ?) - and complain anytime any cuts are made in DVC offerings. Maybe that's why we now have $100-$125 AP discounts, why they build a great slide @ OKW 15 years after it was sold out and there realyl was no need to... why flat panel TV's and granite counters going into OKW in this round of refurb.. why Vero build bigger and better boardwalks each time the ocean claimed the last one...why they have brought one pirate character experience to Vero even though most months it's virtually impossible to book there.

I complain all the time, I just choose to complain about things where something can be done. I choose not to complain here that DVC is somehow keeping Disney from adding rdies/attractions to the parks- because it is simply apples and oranges and not true. But if I get a cast member less than courteous I make a complaint ( do the opposite when someone blows my socks off ) - I ask for a manager if the service/food not up to par even when paying with Tables in Wonderland.. ( much to the chagrine of my kids who think me a pain in the arse ).. when I get member surveys I praise what needs to be and have ripped DDP two years in a row not holding back anything.


really this broad brushing has got to stop-- the anger is misplaced by some


And as for Marriott, I am glad you are happy with them- really. I explained my intial experience with them was crapola - heck even they agreed and totally comped ( maybe because I was travelling under a large corporate entity also) -

As far as having all those choices- that is great today and I hope it always continues for you- but also realize what appears to be a safety net might not always be..take a look back somedecades ago at the largest corps in the world, the largest ariline, the largest of anything and you might be surprised how many of them are gone or much reduced in stature. So Marriott is what Marriott is today ( same for Disney btw) - but things can and do sometimes change.

I also believe that most DVC owners take more than one vacation per year. AS for me I bought points based on 1 / year- as did most people I know. We can and do go elsewhere and don't have to rely upon travel trades etc. for DVC points.

I can go to DL, Vero - Hilton Head besdies the 'swamps of Florida' without batting an eye - any other Disney resort in the world fairly easily as well as DCL. If I really wanted to stop going to Disney there are exchanges available as well..but by then I'd likely sell or stop going. I've already explained that with 8 years and 12 trips to WDW for 4- where tickets were totally comped from my DVC purcahse- my ownership was paid for in it's entirely before 2000 rolled around.

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

I think my issue is there is 2000 years of history with so many options within a 60 mile radius of MVCI in PAris, whereas I was so angry at my last trip to WDW and how much the parks had gone down hill, and the same thing is happening in DLP. It makes me angry that I put out so much money and Disney keeps going down hill every year. I am so glad I did not buy DVC (though we had considered it). At least DVC has what looks like a lovely resort coming to Hawaii.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

Will they be changing the names of the 2 existing resorts in that area to Fort Metro, and the Metro Lodge? Maybe they'll get rid of all those peasky deer that live in the area too. I hope it's a high rise.

I'm really excited about this latest expansion! We have a lot to look forward to at WDW. Two new restaurants at Epcot. A major expansion of family Suites at Pop Century, and another best kept secret expansion. I wonder when we will hear about this one. I'm really looking forward to the hundreds of pictures that will be posted as we try to figure out what they are building on Bay Lake.

This is sure going to take the wind out of Harry Potters sail.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> I complain all the time, I just choose to complain about things where something can be done. I choose not to complain here that DVC is somehow keeping Disney from adding rdies/attractions to the parks- because it is simply apples and oranges and not true. <<

I think the frustration comes from money being spent to expand DVC while the parks seem to remain stagnant.

 

Originally Posted By MPierce

>> really this broad brushing has got to stop-- the anger is misplaced by some <<

Your asking a lot from Disney fans aren't you VBDAD?

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

Or indeed humanity

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

I think my issue is there is 2000 years of history with so many options within a 60 mile radius of MVCI in PAris
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yeah, it's called being spoiled. DVC cannot offer 2000 years of history in a 60 mile radius, but you do not have all that BECAUSE of Marriott - and there is no guarantee Marriott will be around for a thousand years, but the history around you will be. What if Marriott goes the way of Pan Am / US Steel, Xerox take your pick...and is gone ? Then your purchase is also meaningless, but you can still alwsy visit living history because you are in Europe.

Again, I am glad for you, but much like DVC members you are happy because your purchase fits your needs..that's what it is all about. DVC was not a fit for you...as it isn't for others as well..no issue with that at all.

I belong to a number of societies, am involved in board duties with cetain schools etc. because they fit me interests and needs, not because they are somehow the 'best' at something which is totally subjective anyway.

Is the Vero Beach resort the BEST in Florida- likely not, (although recognized heavily for families in the travel industry) - but for my family it is perfect. Not too big, lots of personal attention, and just the right amount of amenities

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<I think the frustration comes from money being spent to expand DVC while the parks seem to remain stagnant.>>

Exactly. I go to WDW for the theme parks, not the resorts.

If I were primarily focused on the resort offerings of my vacation, I'd never step foot inside central Florida. There are a myriad of other global destinations which offer superior resort accommodations to WDW and central Florida in general.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

I think the frustration comes from money being spent to expand DVC while the parks seem to remain stagnant.
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I totally get that - but again they have separate budgets, separate P&I, separate tactical and strategic plans...one is not robbing from the other.
--when ESPN went HD, did everyone go nuts about sports stealing future attractions ? no difference.
If they wanted to expand park offerings they could, park revenue not building DVC's by any stretch of the imagination.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

Exactly. I go to WDW for the theme parks, not the resorts.

If I were primarily focused on the resort offerings of my vacation, I'd never step foot inside central Florida. There are a myriad of other global destinations which offer superior resort accommodations to WDW and central Florida in general.
------ well yeah, Orlando could go back to the swamp town it used to be 45 years ago...BUT, if I am going anyway don't I want a nice resort , tailored to my wants and desires while I'm there - you bet I do.

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<I totally get that - but again they have separate budgets, separate P&I, separate tactical and strategic plans...one is not robbing from the other.
--when ESPN went HD, did everyone go nuts about sports stealing future attractions ? no difference.
If they wanted to expand park offerings they could, park revenue not building DVC's by any stretch of the imagination.>>

Your ESPN analogy is a poor one. All the DVC and Parks money comes from Parks and Resorts Division. Obviously when one's budget increases, the other decreases.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

^^^^^^^^^^^^^ also why I don't eat freakin burgers and fries while on my trip-- it is a get away and I like all pars of it to be very nice...hence the DVC units I stay in.

Some people like to have both the resorts and the parks,

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

<<Some people like to have both the resorts and the parks, >>

Of course. But when the resorts seem to be the focus of the property, something has gone horribly wrong.

 

Originally Posted By vbdad55

^^^

but again - different courses of action..and one is not stealing from the other. One is being driven by demand and cash influx to funds the next project. If one wanted to argue it would be they might have to keep growing new DVC units to cover maintenance costs for exisitng stock ( just a hunch on that - may or may not be true) -

So if they raise entry fees to $100/day and end multi day tickets and open 3-4 E tickets in the next 5 years is that a better alternative ? I think you'll get arguments both ways.


If they were taking theme park money and investing in DVC's today with it...I would be on your side completely in this discussion..but that's not the case.


what if DVC is not profitable one day ? Heck maybe they'll sell them to Marriott - . It's a different commodity entirely