Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<One is being driven by demand and cash influx to funds the next project.>> Is it being driven by demand? The fact that NONE of the DVCs have been sold out should point otherwise...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 if they are selling 22000 per year - every year- is that not demand ? They will be sold out, bad marketing opens AKL and Bay Lake before SS is sold out- not lack of demand. I didn;t say they were sold BEFORE built, but yes they are building to a constant flow of sales-- more than I can say for ANY other real estate venture the past 24-30 months, don't you think ?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper If could build a house and sell it to 52 different owners at once you can be darn sure I'd be building a lot of houses. I get a kick out of people who think they are just building these things based on no information and with no plan in mind. I get a bigger kick out of the people who continue to spell gloom and doom for the parks. When the Magic Kingdom is not the single biggest draw in the Amusement Park industry then I might start to be concerned.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 ^^^I think the point here is that things will have gone too far and be irreversible when MK is finally not the single biggest draw in the industry. I thought a business was supposed to stay ahead of the consumer. On another note, does WDW have an obligation to maintain the parks for DVC customers? Or (hypothetically, obviously) could the parks close up shop and folks just own a nice time share in Orlando? Purely curiosity and not conjecture. It simply occurred to me to wonder when folks were debating the value of owning where there are other sorts of attractions as well (i.e. Paris).
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I totally get that - but again they have separate budgets, separate P&I, separate tactical and strategic plans...one is not robbing from the other. --when ESPN went HD, did everyone go nuts about sports stealing future attractions ? no difference. If they wanted to expand park offerings they could, park revenue not building DVC's by any stretch of the imagination. << It's hard to seperate the two in a lot of people's eyes when they are both on the same property VBDAD. Yes they are separate, but they have a symbiant connection because of the location to most folks.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I get a bigger kick out of the people who continue to spell gloom and doom for the parks. When the Magic Kingdom is not the single biggest draw in the Amusement Park industry then I might start to be concerned. << General Motors use to lead the world in car sales also.
Originally Posted By GOB How sure are we that the new DVC is happening at River Country? One of the most reputable insiders on Magic is insisting that it's not happening there. My bets would be on the Grand Floridian...re-tooling roads and re-locating the health club seems a lot easier than setting up a staging area for a construction site in the middle of nowhere, doing massive land-clearing, removing the River Country infrastructure and adding new electrical and water utilities to a desolate corner of WDW. I'm not saying that development there is impossible, but I wouldn't think of it as a primo place for a new DVC.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> what if DVC is not profitable one day ? Heck maybe they'll sell them to Marriott - . It's a different commodity entirely << The way they seem to be outsourcing, that is a very real possibility. I'm waiting for the day I call Central Reservations to book my trip, and I hear someone with an Indian Accent on the line, and I don't mean American Indian either.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> How sure are we that the new DVC is happening at River Country? One of the most reputable insiders on Magic is insisting that it's not happening there. My bets would be on the Grand Floridian...re-tooling roads and re-locating the health club seems a lot easier than setting up a staging area for a construction site in the middle of nowhere, doing massive land-clearing, removing the River Country infrastructure and adding new electrical and water utilities to a desolate corner of WDW. I'm not saying that development there is impossible, but I wouldn't think of it as a primo place for a new DVC. << By reputable insider who do you mean?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> By reputable insider who do you mean? << >> raven << That's reputable alright.
Originally Posted By leobloom How exciting this news is! I can't wait for a new DVC resort, even though I'm not a DVC member. This new resort will certainly force my hand at buying an AP and taking a two month vacation to WDW. I hope they keep building hotels, because the rides are boring and all I want are more hotel rooms and magical toilets.
Originally Posted By GOB The way I see it, the GF plot seems to be the most viable for any hotel expansion. They could expand Seven Seas Lagoon west (an option since the '70's) and add two-three hotels there. There's also an option of adding a canal east of Wilderness Lodge along with a new body of water near the present day STOLPORT area, which also has room for two-three new resorts. You've also got the old Persian plot available, but seeing as that's now a parking lot/boneyard for MK maintenance, I doubt they'd find a need to move all of that anytime soon. Last but not least, there's always an option to build on the old Venetian/Mediterranean resort plot. Whether or not you believe anything could be built there (i.e. sinking piles), there have been several concepts that have gotten relatively far before having their plugs suddenly pulled. There's also a possibility for a new resort by Blizzard Beach (Grand Californian rumors) but some DVC insiders were insisting that wasn't true. There's also a mysterious land clearing in a grove of trees east of WWOS (just north of the HSR station) but what this is remains to be seen.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Exactly. I go to WDW for the theme parks, not the resorts.<<< I honestly think that's the majority. Why doesn't Disney cater to that? Are there THAT many DVC fanbois?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >> By reputable insider who do you mean? << >> raven << And we have the good Spirit telling us otherwise. Both of them wouldn't be so forward about this if they knew they doubted their info. We shall see. No offense, but I hope Raven is right, 74. BOO TO DVC! LOL.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 It simply occurred to me to wonder when folks were debating the value of owning where there are other sorts of attractions as well (i.e. Paris). ---- I agree with Dave in that DLP is unique in that there is so much else to do and one could use a DVC unit there as a home base if you will and be very entertained...not so in Orlando and surrounding area to anywhere near that level.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 It's hard to seperate the two in a lot of people's eyes when they are both on the same property VBDAD. Yes they are separate, but they have a symbiant connection because of the location to most folks. --- it may be hard to separate the two but c'mon - this is not rocket science- it's simple business 101.... they have a dependency- but they are NOT the same. I hear all the time here to separate the emotion and stop getting pixie dust in ones eyers- well DVC is a cash flow for an industry ( theme parks ) that has very little..
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>>Exactly. I go to WDW for the theme parks, not the resorts.<<< I honestly think that's the majority. Why doesn't Disney cater to that? Are there THAT many DVC fanbois? ---- Again, why is it so hard to separate the 2 ? Really- give it a rational try. Disney IS a business also- that point seemingly is hard to understand. There are no DVC fanbois- but there certainly are people who are willing to make a direct correlation between DVC spending and Park spending - separate ( but uniquely tied) entities. SHould Disney be spending more on the parks- emotion tells me yes, my experience there tells me I would like to see it, BUT IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DVC MONIES BEING SPENT..geez Louise. Stopping building of DVC's will not free up more money for rides and attractions folks
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>---- either not a stockholder or just blinded by emotion<<< Soon to be stock holder.... ...and even then, I'll still want originality and ATTRACTIONS. not hotels.
