Originally Posted By Mr X I wouldn't worry that much about it, TDR_Fan. TDR has proven again and again as the enthusiastic younger sibling of the U.S. parks "anything you can do, I can do better!" as far as entertainment offerings, show quality, attractions, food, hotels, etc... I'm quite sure that this Fantasmic will be at least as good as the one in Cali, if not better.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Like some of the others, my biggest concern is whether or not this show will be able to implement the grand scenes that make Disneyland's version so memorable<<< This might be me, but I hardly think of Fant! bring "grand". The scope of it is too small. If they are able to actually make it bigger in TDS, it might just be better.
Originally Posted By TDR_Fan ^ I was referring to the Peter Pan scene in particular rather than the whole show when I used grand. I agree that it's really quite an intimate show otherwise, Disneyland's version at least.
Originally Posted By TDRboy38 California's F! vs. Florida's F! both have similar elements and different elements. That is exactly what it looks like Tokyo is going to do. Have the moments where you know it is F! Then have the new moments where you know you will only see F! done that way in Japan. I personally can not wait for the show at TDS to open!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I'm really looking forward to this version of Fantasmic! I'm not worried about the scope. I think it will be different enough to not compare it scene-for-scene with the US versions. It seems to be a hybrid, really, of Fantasmic!, and World of Color. So, I'm expecting lots of vibrant fountains and big mist barges moving around the lagoon, with less focus on actors.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^ Exactly. More on effect than on story, which, I think is good. I have never liked the random feel that F! has.
Originally Posted By NGrey The D23 magazine mentions that the new Fantasmic will borrow technology developed for World of Color, but does anyone know what we can expect to see from WoC (effects-wise) in particular? Seeing as how Lee said the show will be very barge heavy, I don't think we will see fountains as impressive as those in WoC. I still think the focus will be on the live action on the barges.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Sounds very water screen based, then.>> Definitely not. Definitely definitely not..... And that is all I'll say on the matter.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 They could easily section off bits of the lagoon to install the fountains. DCA did it all at once, but TDS doesn't have to. I mean, they can box off the dragon to work on it, so I'm sure they can just do peace meal work on any fountain installation. The only thing to take into consideration is the daily water traffic...I'm not sure how much clearance each boat, barge, or jet-ski needs, but I guess they would have to create fountains that are either out of the way, or can lower enough to allow vehicle clearance during the day.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer The water is barely 4 feet deep..Who knows if they would even need to do that. And Lee's post still has me thinking. LOL
Originally Posted By NGrey In all the previous lagoon shows, the fountains were attached to moving barges so that they would not interfere with water traffic during the rest of the day. I imagine it will be the same with Fantasmic, as I've heard nothing about them installing new fountains in the lagoon.
Originally Posted By SuperDry I too suspect fountain barges, although I'd think they'd have at least some work to do on the current B! dragon to turn it into whatever it's going to be for F! (whether it gets modified, or completely replaced). Also, the main rising centerpiece of F! that's been depicted in some of the concept artwork could easily use the same technology if not the very same specific mounts that the crown piece for Mythica uses: it could float out from offstage shortly before the show then anchor itself to the bottom of the lagoon for stability. Interestingly, there's only 5 months on the calendar at most between the ending of B! and the beginning of F! (and that's assuming an April 15 2011 opening), with no scheduled show closure for Mythica. The official website appears to have attractions and show closures posted through the end of March 2011. I guess it's *possible* that there will be Mythica closures associated with F! construction, but I would have expected them to have been posted on the official closures page by now. If my reasoning is correct, this would mean that most F! infrastructure must float in for each show, and that any underwater work needed can be done during overnight hours between Nov 15 and the opening of F! (which almost certainly would preclude the use of coffer dams).
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>>Also, the main rising centerpiece of F! that's been depicted in some of the concept artwork could easily use the same technology if not the very same specific mounts that the crown piece for Mythica uses: it could float out from offstage shortly before the show then anchor itself to the bottom of the lagoon for stability.<<< I'm thinking about something like that, too. Maybe a Mountain/Hat for Mickey to wage battle on?
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 I guess fountain barges could be used. Maybe not as sophisticated as the WoC fountains, but the water goddess in BraviSEAmo! does have moving fountains. So, maybe they could pull off dancing fountains from barges...
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Thinking about Lee's post, there are a lot of other features that were developed specially for WOC that could easily be adapted for another show like F! The ones that come to mind right away are the moving flame throwers, which are very impressive (though most guests don't even think about them). The full-color lasers that WOC uses are really neat, and work very well for all sorts of effects in the show, from the traditional flat line, to the really neat animation, and even the 'glitter' effect. The special fountains that they developed could also be switched out for the generic ones in the existing shows. They created nozzles that can go from the standard jet, to a fan shape, to 3 small jets, all on the same head, while spraying water and moving around. Watching water change shapes is a very new thing, and it works very well for a lot of effects. One of the very simple effects that I found quite effective in WOC is the way that they create the projection surfaces out of fountains, instead of mist screens. They just spray a bunch of jets that are in a row, and the spray goes to the sides enough that animation can be projected on it. This allows the image surface to literally com from nowhere, and then the traditional mist screen turns on to fill in the rest of it after the image has become visible. It's surprising that it never even occured to me that this was a feasible option, but they pull it off flawlessly.
