Originally Posted By Beaumandy << What this nation has done is homicidal, genocidal and suicidal. So, figure it out....>> Why don't you figure out that the Taliban, Saddam, and Al Quida are the homicidal, genocidal and suicidal elements in the world. America is fighting them and destroying them, no thanks to people like you.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Dabob2: Okay, you're right on the definition according to how you use it. It is true that there are different ways of using it, but for these purposes, I was wrong about it. That means I take back Post 244.< Thanks, Woody, much appreciated.
Originally Posted By Capstan Beaumandy, what you fail to own up to is, the U.S. started the trouble. 911 would never have happened, if we hadn't been parking our warahips in the Persian Gulf the last 50-plus years (rather like British ships in Boston Harbor, don't you think?) It's exactly this sort of interference my ancestors founded this country to end. When you stick your tush in their face, you shouldn't be so indignant they react unfavorably. As far as being mighty and virtuous, I daresay there are considerably more dead Iraqi kids and women at this moment, thanks to your "do-gooding," than there would have been, if you had shown a little intelligence. By the way, If you're implying, by "brainwahing," that a clean mind is a vice, then I submit you have your poles reversed. Let me ask you something. If someone moved in next door to you, and you had clear, undeniable evidence they were stockpiling weapons and ammo, even crowbars, which could be used to break into your house, do you think that would give you carte blanche to go over and pre-emptively murder them? Is this your idea of justice? Where are you? Are you in Iraq or Afghanistan? If not, why not, since this seems to be where your beliefs lie? Or are you just blowing off gristle? I'm 55, Beaumandy. How old are you, my Mid-evil knight-in-shining-armor? I still say, figure it out. You're the dope who pours gasoline on a fire, to put it out.
Originally Posted By Capstan DouglasDubh, the topic is irrelevent. Even with positive proof of WMDs, we would not be justified in committing violence on such a rash scale. Congress doesn't even have the guts to declare war, because they know it was wrong. When you say America doesn't want to rule the world, do you mean it merely wants to rule the Middle East? If WMDs are to be policed, what's your feeling on gun-control? If you like freedom, but are uwilling to give it, then you're not free. I had no fear of Hussein. I don't fear North Korea either. But no doubt the polititians, and those who find entertainment, as debaters, in their blood-sport, will find a way to perpetuate the violence. War isn't sport. And it isn't entertainment for idle Americans who don't have a real life. The only thing to come out of our misguided foreign policy, other than violence, is the creation of the Dept.of Homeland Security, which benefits only the government, and the so-called Patriot Act, which also benefits only the government. The question isn't who lied or told the truth about Iraq, but why isn't the U.S. government focused on the U.S? We're the only people who ever dropped atom bombs on kids and women. So, what makes us so right? This topic has no point. Doesn't matter who lied. (Who hasn't?)The budget surplus prior to the "war," effectively gave every one of us several hundred dollars in our pocket. Today, we are each of us, kids included, nearly $30,000 in debt. That money isn't virtual. It's real. So, what's next? Just seems like rather expensive sport to me.
Originally Posted By Capstan StillTePassHolder, I don't know why, but in those days, the JC spielers were knicknamed Jungle Bunnies. I had a similar job on "La Salle's Adventure," at Six Flags Over Texas, in the 60s. There, they simply called us River Rats. So, what is a pass holder?
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Even with positive proof of WMDs, we would not be justified in committing violence on such a rash scale.> What's a rash scale? <When you say America doesn't want to rule the world, do you mean it merely wants to rule the Middle East?> No. We just want a Middle East that lets its people live freely and prosperously, instead of encouraging them to kill Americans. <If WMDs are to be policed, what's your feeling on gun-control?> Anyone who signs an agreement not to use a gun because they have committed gun-related crimes should not be allowed to have guns. <If you like freedom, but are uwilling to give it, then you're not free. I had no fear of Hussein. I don't fear North Korea either. But no doubt the polititians, and those who find entertainment, as debaters, in their blood-sport, will find a way to perpetuate the violence. War isn't sport. And it isn't entertainment for idle Americans who don't have a real life.> None of this rant has anything to do with my comments to you. <The question isn't who lied or told the truth about Iraq, but why isn't the U.S. government focused on the U.S?> Because we live in a global economy, and you can't win a war playing defense. <So, what makes us so right?> The fact that we're one of the most free and prosperous nations in the history of the world. <The budget surplus prior to the "war," effectively gave every one of us several hundred dollars in our pocket.> The budget surplus was on paper only.
