Originally Posted By bean great posts by everyone. but like it has been said do not take the LA times so serious. I knwo people that work for them and they even have some remarks on how that paper is nothing like it used to be. Its a shame that others pick up on this papers articles as if they meant anything. Its old news. The parks has had problems we all know that by now
Originally Posted By mawnck Ah. Errr. Heh. I should probably mention that my post 33 was referring more to the IASW portion of the editorials. I forgot where I was for a bit there. Yeah, I too think it's a little odd to be blasting away at DCA at this late date. I still don't see what the problem is with bringing up supporting opinions, even if they come from the LA Times. Sounds like a reasonable debate tactic to me. My favorite dwarf is Grumpy. He had the right idea.
Originally Posted By Darkbeer Here is Blue Sky Disney's take on the Editorial... <a href="http://blueskydisney.blogspot.com/2008/04/ouch.html" target="_blank">http://blueskydisney.blogspot....uch.html</a> >>I don't know if you've seen what the editorial page over at the Los Angeles Times had to say about DCA a couple days ago, but it was blunt and brutal... this is the first time the Times has actually come out and said it this way. Perhaps this kind of criticism will keep the pressure on the Mouse? One thing is for sure, the next park won't be designed by accountants, marketing salesmen and merchandisers. Instead, it will most likely be created by Imagineers? Imagine that...<< Be suure to click on the link, they have a nice graphic image to go along with the comments.
Originally Posted By SFH Darkbeer, have you gathered all of the mainstream media (and Marty Sklar/Imagineer/Disney Legend) criticism of DCA in a single place on the web? That would be interesting to link to. You seem to have the info at the ready to post here. I'm not criticizing, you, so don't take it that way, please. I've noticed that you have kept tabs on all of that stuff and I think it is an interesting resource, whether or not someone agrees with the points being made. As someone who works with the mainstream media as my bread and butter, such a compilation would interest me. SFH
Originally Posted By Skellington88 I think most people would agree with this article. Im talking the general public not emotional disney geeks. I certainly agree with every word of the article. DCA really does seem like disney was/is trying to pull a fast one on us. I refuse to pay for $66 for no immersion, minimal thrills, and attractions I saw 10 years prior at Walt Disney World.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 >>This constant posting of opinion and the unspoken attitude of "See! SEE! They agree with me!" is kind of sad.<< <If you'd prefer to discuss which is your favorite dwarf, there are other boards.> The topic is not the point. But the juxtapose the method with that topic, it would be like citing a poll that most Americans chose Dopey as their favorite dwarf, and then crowing "He's my favorite too! See?! See?! I'm right!! And anyone who has a different favorite dwarf is wrong!!"
Originally Posted By Darkbeer SFH, I started a thread when MiceChat first opened (now closed) that has a lot of the early media attention to the park... <a href="http://micechat.com/forums/showthread.php/dca_interesting_look_back_last-9078.html" target="_blank">http://micechat.com/forums/sho...078.html</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>But the juxtapose the method with that topic, it would be like citing a poll that most Americans chose Dopey as their favorite dwarf, and then crowing "He's my favorite too! See?! See?! I'm right!! And anyone who has a different favorite dwarf is wrong!!"<< I don't know that that last sentence was necessarily part of the intent of all the posts, true though it may be. ;-) Besides, Grumpy is my favorite dwarf, in case you couldn't guess.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Besides, Grumpy is my favorite dwarf, in case you couldn't guess.> Well, then, you're just wrong, you see. Because the opinion poll has spoken, and Dopey is the best. And that is indeed the intent of the posts in question.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Besides, Grumpy is my favorite dwarf, in case you couldn't guess.> Well, then, you're wrong. Because more people chose Dopey; how dare you have your own opinion?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>how dare you have your own opinion?<< I have 2,437,918 years experience having opinions, I knew Snow White and Prince Charming personally, and I would never do anything to damage the integrity of dwarfdom. So just ignore that 70% of the population - Grumpy is their favorite. They just don't realize it yet.
Originally Posted By BlueOhanaTerror >>>Darkbeer, with all due respect and trying very hard to not make this sound like a shot but your own DCA animus is showing. We all get you don't like the park. It was better when it was a parking lot. It didn't save DL either ... a plush stand would have had the same economic impact ;-)<<< Agreed. DCA sucks. It's never been a good compliment to Disneyland Park. It has never met its goals. You don't need to say "see, see?" You're a middle-aged man. Please move on and join the surge to a new DCA. This is akin to those Japanese guys still fighting WW2 a decade later. I'm embarrassed FOR you, Darkbeer. Please... you take such nice photographs. But life is passing you by and you're missing a whole lot of it. Move on.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Woah, the article just posted that DCA sucks!! News at 11. The same paper mentioned that Iraq is a mess, news at 11:05 .
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Sometimes you have to wonder if Darkbeer is employed by Universal or Knotts lol...
