Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I clearly remember guide books from when I was kid that listed the Matterhorn as being in Tomorrowland. Go figure.
Originally Posted By DlandDug Yep, the Matterhorn was originally a Tomorrowland attraction. What attraction has been in three different lands? Scroll down for answer... The canoes. They were orginally in Frontierland, got moved up to Bear Country, and are now found in Critter Country.
Originally Posted By bean "38 NEW! Hans Reinhardt Wed 11/12/2008 5:50p ^^It does now, but for many years it only said Frontierland and appeared that way in the guidebooks. Another fun oddity are the River Rafts that are in Frontierland, yet their loading dock is directly in front of the Haunted Mansion, which is part of New Orleans Square. 39 NEW! ArchtMig Wed 11/12/2008 10:48p ^^^Right! But back in the day, before NOS, they actually WERE in Frontierland. " Actually the whole bottom level that borders the rivers of america is considered Frontierland. New Orleans square is really only the area between tarzans treehouse and Mansion and from the station down to the top level of the fantasmic viewing plaza. Its actually a little confusing.
Originally Posted By bean i couldn't remember if the resort maps still showed the proper land division and they do <a href="http://adisneyland.disney.go.com/media/dlr_v0200/en_US/map/images/DLPLowbandMap.pdf" target="_blank">http://adisneyland.disney.go.c...dMap.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By FerretAfros Looking at that map, I didn't realize that the Plaza Gardens Stage was a part of Fantasyland. I always assumed that due to its proximity to the hub and generic/Victorian theming, and general Main Street vibe that it was considered to be on Main Street, but it's very clearly surrounded with the pink path of Fantasyland. It looks like the Pixie Hollow (former Ariel) area is also part of Fantasyland, which makes sense thematically, but it just seems to me that Fantasyland shouldn't really be in front of the castle. Maybe that's just me though...
Originally Posted By ArchtMig I like how the Disneyland Railroad touches every single land in Disneyland, and that part of it, Grand Canyon Diorama/Primeival World, is the only attraction that is not located of any land at all.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Looking at that map, I didn't realize that the Plaza Gardens Stage was a part of Fantasyland." That's news to me too. I know for certain that it was once on the maps as being a part of Main Street.
Originally Posted By Britain Err... that was in reference to the Matterhorn tracks. Ugh. Lame joke made lamer by lame posting.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Yep, the Matterhorn was originally a Tomorrowland attraction.> Sorta yes, sorta no. The 50's and 60's guidebooks (and ViewMaster reels) listed it as TL, but the famous attraction poster and the E tickets of the same time listed it as FaL. The attraction poster can still be seen (and has never changed), and I am the proud owner of an original 1959 E ticket (as well as some 60's E tickets), and it's always under FaL. Somewhere around 1973 they got around to changing the guidebooks to saying it was in FaL also. I always wondered about this inconsistency, which the company and Walt himself couldn't have been unaware of, so it seems it must have been intentional. A way of saying "it's on the border area there" (as if it would have been difficult to find!) So you might say that from 1959 to 1973 it was "in both lands," and after that just in FaL. But it was never "only in TL."
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I always thought it was odd too that there was an Autopia in Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris I think it's odd that there is an Autopia now at all. Given how much real estate that kiddie race track takes up, it could be razed and almost make way for another mini-land.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well Bob, Autopia is a huge right of passage for so many. It was one of my favs when I was a child, and my kids love it too. I would be very upset if it disappeared.
Originally Posted By Bob Paris Well, I'd suggest a trade off. Move it over to your beloved DCA ; ) and, since we are going with a California theme, make it part of a freeway mockup. That'd leave the space for something a little more fanciful than a go-kart track.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Dave is right that the autopia, for a certain age group (after you're big enough to reach the pedals but before you're old enough to drive for real) is a BIG attraction. At a certain age, it was one of the DL attractions I looked forward to most, even as much as I loved Pirates and HM and Matterhorn and the other E's. It's a big deal at that age to drive yourself. Bob is also right that the attraction takes up a large chunk of TL that could (and should) be devoted to something new and dazzling and actually futuristic. It'll never happen, but they COULD kill two birds with one stone by double-decking the new Carsland area in DCA, with a new drive-it-yourself autopia in the "basement" of the Radiator Springs Racers attraction (theme the enclosed basement level to a racetrack a la WDW, or whatever outdoor environment you want... the autopia set wouldn't care about the "indoor for outdoor" theming, which Disney does all the time anyway; what they care about is driving it themselves). Obviously, it works thematically in Carsland. It preserves the you-drive-it autopia, giving young fans another reason to go to DCA. If planned right from the get-go, it would take up no more of a footprint than the RSR attraction already planned. And it would finally clear the decks in the NE quadrant of DL for a something big and splendid for TL.
Originally Posted By bean Maybe once OLC gets there Autopia updated TDA will see that Disneyland should do the same. It would be than just a go-kart track and such a waste of space
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Given how much real estate that kiddie race track takes up, it could be razed and almost make way for another mini-land." Good point Bob.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But the other reminder folks is the Autopia track at Dl is build on top of the subs showbuilding. Could it take the weight of another significant structure?