Originally Posted By Mr X ***it is also the choice that brings absolutely nothing to the ticket politically*** And some things are more important (McCain should take note). Seems to me that's the opposite of egoism.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Just as McCain’s choice of Pawlenty would have been safe, and would have ABSOLUTELY been best for America, but it would have brought nothing to the ticket politically.<< I agree, except if Obama had chosen Hillary. McCain had the advantage of being able to wait until Obama had announced his selection to make a choice himself. He went with a wild card. It may work, it may not. Personally, I would have liked Obama to go with Bill Richardson. But Obama's team figured it's already perhaps more "change" than many Americans can handle with him on top of the ticket, so Biden is a good, safe choice. To be honest, I think the choice of Pawlenty would have done so much more to attract moderates than Sarah Palin ever will. McCain gambled that female voters would be so angry with Obama over Hillary that they would vote for any woman, and I don't think that's going to be the case. In so many ways, it's an insulting, frivilious choice.
Originally Posted By Mr X They should make a law that forces the candidates to announce their picks simultaneously. Enough with the ridiculous cat and mouse already..look how irresponsible that can become.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Biden is just a wash, pretty much. << Biden's effectiveness should become more apparent after the election. I would suggest that he does indeed help the ticket, but then I was a Biden supporter before I was an Obama supporter. Biden brings not only experience and continuity to the democratic ticket, he also brings that experience and continuity to an Obama administration. That should count for something.
Originally Posted By Mr X I agree. I meant he's a wash politically in terms of helping the ticket. No harm, but no help either. Palin is going to affect things, one way or the other. I believe so, anyway.
Originally Posted By ecdc Maybe, just maybe, Obama picked Biden because he thought he'd be a good Vice-President if elected. From all we can gather, McCain picked Palin to sit there and look good, energize the base, and "one-up" Obama by picking a woman. She certainly doesn't bring a thing to the ticket in terms of experience. But she's one heartbeat away. Oh, and since no one's hearing anything about Biden (because they're not looking at real news), here you go: <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09/17/politics/fromtheroad/entry4455198.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2...98.shtml</a> <a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5i7K20RiBJeMQhhTZUST64ABObHjAD938RU5G0" target="_blank">http://ap.google.com/article/A...938RU5G0</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "She's been hermetically sealed in a mayonaise jar on Funk & Wagnall's porch." This just makes me realize how much I miss Johnny Carson. He'd be all over this stuff right now.
Originally Posted By fkurucz <<If anything, it seems to me that women in general find the Palin choice offensive and men are more receptive to her.>> Wasn't she the runner up in a Miss Alaska contest some years ago?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer And how about Media access to the future President (either McCain or Obama)... <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13559.html" target="_blank">http://www.politico.com/news/s...559.html</a> >>The flocks of campaign reporters who fly around the country with the presidential candidates have been more sidelined in the 2008 campaign than any in generations, sealed off from any meaningful access to either Sen. Barack Obama (D-Ill.) or Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.). On Air Obama, reporters gawk at him moving around up front, talking with aides or on a cell phone, but can only guess what he is saying or thinking. On Straight Talk Air, the flying McCain campaign, aides draw the curtains so that not even glimpses are possible. Not only do the reporters have little interaction with the candidates, but increasingly they are having little impact on the broad campaign narratives and daily story lines that supply most voters with their impressions of the candidates. That's more often taking place in cable studios or on Web sites far removed from the ceaseless grind of the press bubble — in which reporters schlump on and off the plane, in and out of buses and gymnasiums-turned-filing centers, several times a day, dozens of times a week. A combination of technology and iron message discipline by heavily centralized campaigns has consigned these reporters – once the storied “boys on the bus” – largely to feeding off the public material available to almost anyone over the Web, with very little interaction with the next president of the United States.<<
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Oh admit it... Palin has done better than expected. She isn't a seasoned politician, legislator or diplomat. But given that 60 days ago all she wanted to be was a wife and hockey mom holding down a part-time job governing a state with no people, she's done pretty damned well.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Palin has done better than expected<< What was expected? She wasn't on the radar, so there were no expectations. And now that people are finding out more, she's looking that more more unqualified.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Palin has done better than expected<< Gotta disagree (even with the obligatory smiley face RT provided). We keep hearing from conservatives, "Whatever happened to Joe Biden?" Well, Biden's doing exactly what a good VP candidate ought to do. He's on the campaign trail telling his story and slamming McCain. He's going to rally after rally in battleground states. That's what you *want* your VP candidate to do. What you probably don't want is your VP candidate taking all the attention away from you for being a hypocrite who supports abstinence only educating and then having a pregnant daughter. You probably don't want a VP candidate so willing to lie that you don't let her do interviews until they're carefully orchestrated. And you most definitely don't want a VP candidate who turns off moderates. (And having one who knows what the Bush Doctrine is helps too.)
Originally Posted By planodisney The latest Gallup poll shows palin defeating biden in a hypothetical matchup for President. But keep telling youselves that americans, save right wing nuts, don't like this woman.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I expected you to come back with abortion, values, and god. Exactly the points that the GOP uses to dupe the "right wing nuts" every time. And of course, little else is known about her.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 >>I guess where I differ is I don't see Biden bringing anything to the ticket. The hard core liberals are going to vote for Obama anyway. The conservatives aren't going to vote for Obama no matter who he is running with. That leaves the group in the middle... many of them Hillary Democrats. Obama's choice does nothing to attract them, or many other middle of the road voters out there. Biden may have been the safe choice and maybe even the choice that was best for America, but it is also the choice that brings absolutely nothing to the ticket politically. Just as McCain’s choice of Pawlenty would have been safe, and would have ABSOLUTELY been best for America, but it would have brought nothing to the ticket politically.<< Biden brings alot to the table actually. Mainly his expertise in the international arena and foriegn policy. If there is ever a crisis between Indiana/Pakinstan, Palestine/Isreal, etc. hes the man to call to keep the peace. He is also not afraid to go toe to toe with dictators. Biden is also firmly rooted in the middle class and represents middle class values and fights for the people not special interest groups.
Originally Posted By planodisney I like that she took on corruption in her own party. I like that she seems genuinely like one of the folks, not some contrived attempt like Biden. She has a very positive attitude and seems like the kind of person who will cut through the B.S., even if she steps on a few toes. I like how she has handled the onslaught she has been under. I like that she seems to have wisdom to go along with her intelligence. I am impressed with just how many people in her state approve of the job she has done. She is the type of person who studies an issue diligently an works hard for what she believes in. I, also believe she still has something to prove. No question about it. Even to me. She needs to do well and be very competent on issues in the debate. If she comes across as lost and incompetent, I will be the first person on here admitting that fact. But everything I have seen of her suggests that won't be the case.
Originally Posted By Skellington88 If Palin becomes president we are gonna get nuked by Russia. I have a bad fealing on this one.
