Originally Posted By tashajilek "Trust me - one price admission is MUCH better!" Agreed. Back when DL opened my mother was a child and she said DL was mainly for wealthy family's and it's was rare that anyone you knew had ever been. Wow is that not the case anymore.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Imagine standing outside of the Haunted Mansion, wanting to go in, but you can't cuz you've already spent your E tickets for the day.> In the 70's, they used to have a little sepia-toned slide show with Frontier-looking slides they would play while you were waiting for the Golden Horseshoe Review to start. They poked fun at themselves with a picture of a girl with her head down on her mother's lap, crying, both in Victorian dresses. Then they put up the punchline: "She lost her last E ticket."
Originally Posted By a1stav I don't agree, with the prices that Disneyland is charging now only the wealthy can afford to go. Here is an example. Taken from jansworld.net 1980 Adult Ticket Book with 11 attractions $8.50 per person. Adjusted for inflation... $21.84 I would gladly pay 21.84 for Disneyland with 11 ride tickets A-E.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 One thing you need to keep in mind is yes adjust for inflation, but also adjust for minimum raise raises, energy cost increases, property tax increases, lawyer fee increases, damage increases, entertainment increases, the list goes on and on. Yes Disneyland makes a lot of money but the price could be justified. Think of it this way, Disneyland would not look the way it does now (cleanliness and quality) if they charged less. Plus the less the charge the more people would come and then crowding would be really bad!
Originally Posted By danyoung But honestly, how many people pay the day rate for a DL ticket? Don't most of us either buy a multi-day passs or have an AP, which is MUCH cheaper than the day rate?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "There has been nothing "new" added to DL since Indiana Jones (there has been some very good refreshes of old attractions, subs etc.)." Nothing but that big billion dollar expansion in 2001.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Back when DL opened my mother was a child and she said DL was mainly for wealthy family's and it's was rare that anyone you knew had ever been." That explains why everyone was so well dressed in those vintage photos.
Originally Posted By a1stav "Nothing but that big billion dollar expansion in 2001." Different park, separate ticket. Disneyland $50 day no hopper DCA $50 day no hopper Those prices would be in line with the 1994 pricing. Kind of like they did in 2001. Disneyland $40 no-hopper DCA $40 no-hopper
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Nothing but that big billion dollar expansion in 2001." >>Different park, separate ticket.<< Well it was a lot more than just another park. Where do you think the money came from? Thin air?
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 "If they did the get in the park but no rides thing, They might as well bring back the ticket book. A CM would have to check EVERY person at rides and guests would have to show a ticket." Couldn't they put in a turnstyle with a fast pass type ticket reader thing and you swipe your ticket at the before you get in line, like in the subway stations in New York?
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Okay so I finished reading the rest of the posts and some of you already had my idea...Oh well. As far as handing the ticket off for friends to use, they could still have a CM standing their to keep watch...a lot of the rides dp anyways because of height restrictions...they stand there to measure kiddos. They might as well watch the people swiping cards while they are there.
Originally Posted By a1stav "One thing you need to keep in mind is yes adjust for inflation, but also adjust for minimum raise raises, energy cost increases, property tax increases, lawyer fee increases, damage increases, entertainment increases, the list goes on and on." The inflation index takes into consideration all the costs of living and doing business in America. If you have specific information about how Disneyland's costs have increased disproportionately to the rest of America I would like to see it. The California minimum wage in 1980 $3.10 adjusted for inflation in 2009 $7.97hr The current California minimum wage $8.00hr Looks about the same to me. "Yes Disneyland makes a lot of money but the price could be justified." By executive bonuses. "Think of it this way, Disneyland would not look the way it does now (cleanliness and quality) if they charged less." Disneyland was in great shape in 1980 as well as in 1994. "Plus the less the charge the more people would come and then crowding would be really bad!" Get rid of the Annual Pass and overcrowding will be a problem of the past.
Originally Posted By a1stav "Well it was a lot more than just another park. Where do you think the money came from? Thin air?" You mean Downtown Disney? Not from Disneyland ticket sales. You think that it might be possible that the tenants of the shops and restaurants might pay rent for the space they occupy? Or you might mean the parking garage? A $15 parking ticket might pay for that.
Originally Posted By danyoung >s far as handing the ticket off for friends to use...< This is really an easy one to deal with. If they set up a system where you had to scan your card to get on a ride, the system could easily block out additional scans from that same card for say 10 minutes. That way the person could come out and ride again, but waiting 10 minutes for a friend to come through is just too long, making the practice unfeasable.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "You mean Downtown Disney? Not from Disneyland ticket sales. You think that it might be possible that the tenants of the shops and restaurants might pay rent for the space they occupy? Or you might mean the parking garage? A $15 parking ticket might pay for that." Well of course at least some of the money came from revenue generated by DL Park, the parking lot, and the two hotels across the street that Disney owned. It certainly could not have come from DTD or the parking structure as neither facility existed when the initial investment was made to design the place, gather permits, and start construction. It not a coincidence that pricing for DLR's ticket media has increased dramatically while the company has made such huge financial investments in Anaheim.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones At $21 Disneyland would attract unsafe levels of crowds. The infrastructure would not be able to handle it. Adjusting Disneyland tickets for inflation doesn't really work that well. You're basically using a metric that measures the prices of a basket of common goods that doesn't necessarily reflect every single product out there. One example are the prices of computer technology. Prices for computers have actually gone down over the years as computers have become more powerful. In the 1990s my family bought a Pentium 90 MHZ computer. Today I could buy a computer for half of what we paid and it would be way, way more powerful. In fact, my cell phone is both cheaper and more powerful than our old Pentium. I think the same concept applies to Disneyland in that it is substantially different from other goods in the CPI basket. We're talking about a very scarce good/service that is also very, very popular. Throw in population growth and demand soars. I don't think the current prices are unreasonable and the annual passes are downright cheap.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Good points. The bottom line is that the DL experience today is not the DL experience from 20, 15, or even 10 years ago. The expansion, along with changes in the offerings inside the park, are all justifiable reasons for the price increases not to mention the points you made.
Originally Posted By a1stav I am tired of having my posts intentionally ignored or misquoted to set up straw man arguments. My argument is this simple. Get rid of the Annual Pass, it is the source of all the trouble. Use a pricing scheme similar to Tokyo Disneyland Set the single day ticket for DL and DCA to about $50 no-hopper (about $8 more than 1994 levels adjusted for inflation). Set the two day ticket to about $100 no-hopper. Set the three day ticket to $150 with hopper. (you get the bonus of hopping by buying a multi-day ticket rather than a single day) etc. This would fix the over crowding caused by the AP and distribute the cost per turnstile click across all of the visitors.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>>>>>>"Plus the less the charge the more people would come and then crowding would be really bad!"<<<<<<< Yup, supply and demand. The less it costs, the more people will come. ie the 2fer tickets. >>>>>>>>Get rid of the Annual Pass and overcrowding will be a problem of the past.<<<<<<<<<< I don't believe this to be true. Even before the AP got popular, DL packed them in, especially peak season - but then again, DL was closed on Monday and Tuesdays until the 80's. Anyways, in terms of crowds, APs only changed the dynamics of the crowds. Attendance levels shifted, but annual attendance only gradually increased ie In the past, Saturdays were almost always the most crowded day of the week. However, nowadays, Sundays are the most crowded days of the week - why? because Saturdays are blocked out. Thanksgiving holiday was extremely crowded - not anymore.
