Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 Hahhaah i can see lots of confusion in the future if they do this "Partial day ticket"... I think they should do just full day tickets and evening - closing tickets.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones It's not that annual passholders cause overcrowding, it's that they increase the variability in crowds. I don't think Disney will ever admit it, but I think even they have been caught off guard by the strange crowding. Friday nights are apparently more busy than Saturday nights. Throw everything you know about "when it's a good time to visit" out the window. Passholders also don't feel compelled to experience as many attractions as day trippers, which means they are in the walkways and common areas and not in line/in shows/on rides. Disney also failed to adequately prepare its infrastructure for annual passholders, the biggest problem being that passholders generally have a lower vehicle occupancy when they visit. This means that passholders are more likely to drive to the park alone, causing a shortage of parking spots.
Originally Posted By Terminus >> ...passholders are more likely to drive to the park alone, << Hm... Really? I'd have thought a large portion of AP'ers were families, like regular visitors... Interesting...
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The system that is now in place rewards the cheap so-cal visitor and bilks the free spending out of town visitor." You've forgotten about the all important guest spending excluding ticket receipts. That's why Disney will do everything it can to attract overnight guests (build DCA, strengthen it to make it a full day experience, west coast cruises, etc) while appeasing locals with regular discounts and APs. Remember, if the locals don't go to DL they are going to Knotts, Magic Mountain, Universal, etc. Again, DLR does not exist in a bubble. "I don't understand the partial day ticket...how are they going to clear out people from the park at 3?" Maybe you can stay, but your ticket won't work for getting on the attractions.
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 Constance...Im still up...its 2am here in California. Hahaha 10:41pm isn't late at all in my book
Originally Posted By danyoung >OK don't get rid of the AP just charge the same as Tokyo Disney Resort 75000yen or $893.92 per year. Get rid of the summer $99 three day tickets, the 2fer. Lower the day pass to around $50 and every one will benefit.< Y'know, I actually don't have a problem with this - raise the prices to the point where the numbers of people through the gate during any summer day are much more controllable. Disney would be making the same or even more money, the smaller crowds would have a better time, and the parks would be in much better shape. Now, on a personal note I of course wouldn't be wild about paying double for an AP, especially since I live in Texas and only get out there a few days each year. But I do acknowledge that there's a problem, and there are simply way too many people trying to enjoy themselves at Disney parks.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>My argument is this simple. Get rid of the Annual Pass, it is the source of all the trouble.<< I fully agree. I hate DL now that its virtually wall to wall people year round. I haven't been back in two years and probably won't bother to until they finish the DCA additions.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I'm always leery of fair rides. I mean, they take them up and down so often and so quickly. I just can imagine lots of room for error.<< I share that concern. Plus fairs are the nasty dirty places that Walt Disney was trying to get away from when he created DL.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 You know I think the only people who do not like the AP program are AP holders. I personally love the program and Disney does not hate it either. If they did or if they were not expecting the crowding problem they would not have offered monthly payments that exploded the program and has no plans to end any time soon. Disneyland had ups and downs just like any other theme park did, however as soon as they perfected the AP program, Disneyland virtually has no ups and downs. The attendance rate stays pretty consistent year round which non of the other parks can even hope to attain. Because of that they know that Joe is going to the park five times this year, each time he uses his deluxe pass to buy from the golden horseshoe, so we raise the price by .30 and make our money off of Joe. They track everything we do with our cards and they know how AP holders tick. And over crowding in perspective is not really that bad. Think about it, on the busiest days (I am an all day tripper though) I get on 14-15 rides. The rides with the longest wait times in DL is Splash and Space. Everything else hovers around 25-45 min. Personally the best day to go is Friday. All day, during the day the park is not that crowded so you can hit all the big stuff, then when the AP holders start appearing at around 3-4PM you head over to DCA and ride stuff over there and then come back to DL to stake your spot for the fireworks and fantasmic at 8:30. I also get fastpasses for everything that offers it so at night I can bypass all you AP holders!
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub SO the FP return windows should be enforced better with just an extra 2hour allowance for late returns due to dining reservations or "stuck in a showline" excuses. How fair is it that WDW's Midway Mania Toy Story is Sold Out by noon but still screwing up the standby lines at 8p.m.(just an example) I might add this thought to the reasonable expectation discussion .
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster I think Disney should offer an ultra-premium AP for $1,000. Include: --Free parking --Same discounts as PAP --Guaranteed admission even when gates are closed --Free upgrades to suites at Disney resort hotels when available --Exclusive behind-the-scenes tours --Admission to all hard-ticket special events --Admission to Club 33 once per year --Unlimited use of FastPass --Reserved seating for WOC and Fantasmic!
Originally Posted By avatarmickey115 That would be more like $10,000 if you're gonna have the Club 33...
Originally Posted By tashajilek I wouldnt mind paying around 600 for my ap. Quality is more important to me than a bargain. Hey Hans I dont mind paying $14 to go on the ny ny coaster. The coasterf is much cheaper than going to DL and it is one hell of a ride
Originally Posted By Terminus >> That would be more like $10,000 if you're gonna have the Club 33... << He did say ONCE per year. Although, I still think a pass that did all that would be a lot more than $1,000 a year. I still not sure how I feel about making a super expensive pass that only some people could afford, that lets you get a lot more perks than everyone else. Discounts is one thing, but no AP at DLR now lets you get Unlimited Fastpasses or front of the line passes... It sounds cool and I might be able to afford a pass like that if I chose to spend the money on it... But would it be fair? I don't think we really need to create a "class system" in the park where the rich get stuff better than everyone else... It's already like that too many other places and in life in general. =)
Originally Posted By Terminus >> Hey Hans I dont mind paying $14 to go on the ny ny coaster. The coasterf is much cheaper than going to DL and it is one hell of a ride << $14 dollars for one ride though? Cheaper than going to DL? But at DL you get to ride a LOT of rides and shows and stuff for the price. If they charged you $14 just for one ride on PoTC... Hm... Let's not give them any ideas.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "But at DL you get to ride a LOT of rides and shows and stuff for the price." I remember reading rumors that the average Disneyland guest goes on 9 rides in the summer.
Originally Posted By Terminus I thought I heard 12-15 (rides and attractions/shows) ... But maybe PoTC is costing you $14 to ride once!
