Originally Posted By mousegeezer You must stay young at heart and learn this at as early as possible age. I'm taking two two year olds to WDW in February. But, their parents are coming too so when the two year olds are a handful, their parents can deal with it. Then grandma and I can run off. You just have to pick your spots with kids and Disney. Fourteen hour days at a park can wear us all out.
Originally Posted By mele I think if you can't spell the word "dumb" you probably shouldn't accuse others of being dumb.
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa Like I said in the first place if you have a choice why bring a newborn. There are many that probably have no choice because the grandparents might be in a different state or even dead or even on bad terms or even to frail and tired to handle a new one for 5 days. I am talking about those who have a choice but bring their kid anyway. Why would these parents want to be strapped down with diapers at every turn, naps and crying on vacation and no sleep. I will tell you why in 1 minute. Vacation is for fun, relaxation, learning, getting away from pressures and troubles of everyday life or seeing something new. If fresh ones could understand where they are and what they are doing and apreciate it then parents better bring them always even if crazy sleeping times and smelly diapers are at every turn. But they can't understand. Those who have a choice bring them because they want to show them off and it ruins American Advanture when the crying starts.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 But becoming a parent changes things trust me it does -- and like I said I would not look to do it just for the infant- but sometmes the stars line up just right and you make the trip... the impact on me as a parent was not that great- and the joy myoldest got by being there was well more than worth that...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 So lack of parenting skills doesn't take a vacation. Amen to that ! Actually this makes a nice slogan or bumper sticker
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Originally Posted By StitchMom84 vbdad55, couldn't have said it better!! Thank you for so eloquently stating this for those of us who feel the same way.
Originally Posted By ImTempest vbdad55, YOU ROCK!! That's it exactly. My child is not a pet. We go to family places, and travel as a family. Right now, he's a very well-behaved 8 year old (soon to be 9). Travel has given him a broader perspective on the world than most of his friends, and it started almost from the day he was born. We have fun, relax and learn TOGETHER.
Originally Posted By Fe Maiden We just got back from a week in WDW with our 4 month old along with her 4 and 7 year old brothers. We had a great time and admittedly we were a little worried due to the heat, but she did great. It does take some extra planning and you may have to take an unscheduled timeout several times a day to feed or change diapers but we did not miss one thing we wanted to do. Everyone got to see all their favorite attractions several times. We brought our daughter along on every attraction that did not have a height requirement and not once did we have to head for the exit early (though we always made sure we had a bottle at the ready). Most of the times we put her in the Baby Bjorn and let her face out and she had a great time. We got a kick out of seeing her get excited over certain things, Nemo and Friends and Small World being two of them. One of my new fondest memories of WDW was waiting for my wife and kids on BTMRR and Wishes began and there's this clearing of trees right by the entrance that gives you a great view of the fireworks. My daughter laid in her stroller and I sat down next to her and we watched Wishes together. <<the amount of work involved compared to any reward to either the parent or the child is just way out of balance, IMO.>> The way I look at it is the baby's going to get hungry and need to be fed or need a diaper change whether we're in WDW or not. We could stay at home and not do anything fun for vacation because it might take a little more effort to get around or we could pack up the car, drive a thousand miles and have a great time.
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa ~~~~--wrong -~~~~ sorry but you are wrong. ~~~vacation is for FAMILY time for most of us also- sorry you can't see that ~~~ That makes as much sense as "vacation is for breathing, eating and moving". In other words the family and friends reason was so painfully obvious that that comes with a trip that it didn't need to be said just like breathing, eating and moving. What separtes vacations is the fact that you are doing something PREFERABLE FOR A FEW DAYS AWAY FROM HOME THAT YOU DON'T GET TO DO VERY OFTEN . Time with family and friends is a byproduct of vacation and not the reason for it otherwise you could spend time with family AT HOME and get the same effect. You can't see that? I know you can.
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa ~~~~~...I guess you've never had your show ruined by some loudmouth jackazz sitting next to you and talking thru the whole show~~~~ what does that have to do with crying babies at American Adventure? Are you actually excusing crying babies in a theater just beacause an adult can disrupt the show also? That is a terrible argument in case you are doing it.
Originally Posted By mele Don't want to be around kids? Go to an adults only resort or suck it up. A newborn has just as much right to be at a theme park as you do.
Originally Posted By Linda1633 I never wanted to lug a diaper bag around Disneyland so I told my girls if they wanted to go visit Mickey then they had to learn to use the potty. It worked.
Originally Posted By danyoung Buffa, you're being something of a jerk in your presentation. Dial it back a little, huh? >What separtes vacations is the fact that you are doing something PREFERABLE FOR A FEW DAYS AWAY FROM HOME THAT YOU DON'T GET TO DO VERY OFTEN .< This is one factor of a vacation. Another is simply the fact that you're not working. Some people take vacations in their own home and have a blast. So a vacation is different to everyone. Now, would I want to spend my vacation tending to a 2 month old baby? Not really. But then, I wouldn't want to spend my vacation taking care of 4 kids from age 10 to age 17, either. See, I'm a single guy, so my vacations involve just me. But if someone has a family, and that family happens to include an infant, I see no reason why they can't enjoy their vacation with the entire family at a place like WDW.
Originally Posted By MPierce I'm still traumatized because my parents didn't take me to DL when I was an infant. They finally took me to Yellowstone Park when I was two years old. To late though, the damage had already been done by then.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I think if you can't spell the word "dumb" you probably shouldn't accuse others of being dumb. << What a dimb thing to say!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ~~~~~...I guess you've never had your show ruined by some loudmouth jackazz sitting next to you and talking thru the whole show~~~~ what does that have to do with crying babies at American Adventure? Are you actually excusing crying babies in a theater just beacause an adult can disrupt the show also? That is a terrible argument in case you are doing it. -------------- the apoint just says you are targeting but one group bothering your vacation -- After you ban babies - whose next ? teenagers / people on ECV's / adults -- who's left ? I have had babies interrupt shows -yes, I have had MORE adults bother my experience than babies however..your solution doesn't fix but a small part of the problem. no one said it is right - but identifying this as the lone source of your frustration is extremely flawed. If you can't see that, sorry I can't help you. Maybe a vacation to a desert island may be best..
Originally Posted By vbdad55 PREFERABLE FOR A FEW DAYS AWAY FROM HOME THAT YOU DON'T GET TO DO VERY OFTEN aside from the obvious shouting nonsense- your definition of a vacation is not Gospel....everyone views things differently. I view vacation as mainly one thng - not working. Doesn't make mine the only definition either but understand there are more than just yours. And NO, time with family is not a given, hence why peope take separate vacations... so what is painfully obvious to you, is just not so- read the other comments here.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ~~~~--wrong -~~~~ sorry but you are wrong. so you are a parental expert also ? Sorry I did not being my children ever to 'show them off' - what an ignorant comment... they are not prizes or toys. I, like many others here, bring children along to have them learn how to assimilate to different situations in the world, which has worked out well. At very young ages my children have : eaten in the White House, traveled to some of the treasure places in the world- museums and art galleries so - intelligent retort aside - you're still wrong and most people here are telling you that if you'd listen.
Originally Posted By LoyalOrderWaterBuffa ~~~Buffa, you're being something of a jerk in your presentation. Dial it back a little, huh?~~~ Here's a story of a lovely lady who was bringing up 1 very lovely girl. I went with my sister, her husband and their new born girl to WDW. Or mor like they wanted to go with me and my guy. I suggested to my little sis to leave her daughter with mom and dad(the grandparents) but she refused. I told her WDW is not a great place for newborns because it's hot, crowded and spread out all over the place. I tried to tell her how big WDW is and how far hotels are and how long it takes to go to hotels but she would not listen. I suggested she leave little Nicole outside American Adventure because she cries like other new ones. Inside Nicole had a fit and everyone was looking at us. I was so embaressed I wanted to die. This led to a huge argument after that pretty much ruined the trip. She accused me of being jealous that I don't have a kid(ya as if I couldn't if I wanted to) and I told her that her selfishness ruined the show for others. I love spending time with "Nikky"(I've baby sat and changed diapers like a good ant) so why bring a newborn who cries when you can leave with grandma and grandpa? Now some don't have grandparents who can watchover and I understand that. But Sis did.
