Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<yeah, that's why I see so many there.>> I saw tons when I worked there. And if there was a movie premier? I'm sure they'd be there.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Oprah has lived in Santa Barbara for years. But why am I writing that? The point is that WDW 'could' easily handle an event like this IF it were run and managed differently. A PR Photog snapping a picture of a celeb, preplanned and walking around with a 'vested' tour guide, isn't the same as hosting a movie premiere. These days, I do wonder how WDW even manages to turn the lights on and open the gates daily ...
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<A PR Photog snapping a picture of a celeb, preplanned and walking around with a 'vested' tour guide, isn't the same as hosting a movie premiere.>> Exactly.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 Question: If Burbank knows that TDO is inept, why do these folks have jobs/titles/respect? Why is there no shake up? Why isn't a team from out west being sent to O town to clean up? I get that they are reactionary, but aren't they also embarassed? And don't they think the small budget they do give TDO could be used more wisely? This is very confusing!
Originally Posted By leobloom >> A PR Photog snapping a picture of a celeb, preplanned and walking around with a 'vested' tour guide, isn't the same as hosting a movie premiere. << I meant that sorta disparagingly. That seems to be the best they can do nowadays. Take a staged picture and post it online.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< doesn't mean I necessarily agree with them -- but they prefer LA to Chicago also- and many also prefer LA to NY >>> The pizza is much better.
Originally Posted By dl1956 Well, there's always the kind of rationale frequently cited (not exactly sure if it's by TDO itself or just by some in fandom) for not having Nightmare/Haunted Mansion and IASW Holiday during Xmas at MK: the majority, largely vacation-oriented, once-in-a-lifetime guests would not appreciate seeing the MK all blocked up with seats, benches and a giant movie screen for a week or more. Perhaps Epcot or DHS could serve as host?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>If Burbank knows that TDO is inept, why do these folks have jobs/titles/respect? Why is there no shake up? Why isn't a team from out west being sent to O town to clean up?<< I don't think it's that Burbank thinks they're inept. I think that TDO is doing exactly what is expected from Burbank: they're continuing to sell the exact same product, but slapping new labels on it and trying to pretend like it's something fresh and exciting. It's the same with all of Iger's initiatives. But then when it comes time to do something new and out of the ordinary (like a movie premiere), they have to go with the crew that consistantly does things that go against the product recycling mantra. I fully believe that Iger is more proud of the WDW crew than the DL crew, because they've gotten by for so long on so little, which is his standard of business. One of these days, the tides will turn on him, and he'll have to come up with actual new content (which he really seems to avoid for some reason...oh, yah, the risk that it might not be a blockbuster), and then everybody will see what he's been up to. Until then, people will continue to eat up the Disney Parks Blog, and other new ways of rehasing the same old ideas from decades ago, with little to no actual updates to the content itself.
Originally Posted By DlandDug What is comical in all this is that WDW runs most of the promotion for all the Disney resorts. The POTC4 event at Disneyland, on the other hand, was mostly run by the Studio, who handles the premieres. Disneyland is simply the venue, and provides support and logistics. (Although it was pretty funny to me when the studio person checking in media at the premiere brightly announced that the media would be housed at the Lincoln Center. The Lincoln CENTER is in New York City. The Lincoln THEATER is in Disneyland.) Since the premieres are handled by the Studio, it is a LOT easier to trundle all the support personnel and "stuff" down the freeway to Anaheim than it is to fly it all cross country to Orlando. Granted, premieres have been staged all over creation (Mulan in Central Park, Pearl Harbor in Honolulu, and Cars in North Carolina, for example). But the Pirates gig is such a well oiled machine by now, I cannot imagine that any executive would want to tamper with it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>But I'm sure Anthony Edwards will be enjoying that BW room in a few weeks! that's about what TDO can handle ...<<< Anthony Edwards or Anthony Daniels?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Why would they when it is supposedly us burnt our posters that notice the problems, and there are legions of DVC owners who will defend the place as it is easier to bite off than buyers remorse.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 Why would Burbank trust a management team that let MSEP catch fire in the warehouse? So... who cares? I for one, am glad Burbank/Glendale has been making WDW look bad for 6yrs now and even WDW CMs are noticing (IE "Why dont WE get this stuff?")
Originally Posted By Christi22222 "I don't think it's that Burbank thinks they're inept. I think that TDO is doing exactly what is expected from Burbank: they're continuing to sell the exact same product, but slapping new labels on it and trying to pretend like it's something fresh and exciting. It's the same with all of Iger's initiatives. But then when it comes time to do something new and out of the ordinary (like a movie premiere), they have to go with the crew that consistantly does things that go against the product recycling mantra. I fully believe that Iger is more proud of the WDW crew than the DL crew, because they've gotten by for so long on so little, which is his standard of business. One of these days, the tides will turn on him, and he'll have to come up with actual new content (which he really seems to avoid for some reason...oh, yah, the risk that it might not be a blockbuster), and then everybody will see what he's been up to. Until then, people will continue to eat up the Disney Parks Blog, and other new ways of rehasing the same old ideas from decades ago, with little to no actual updates to the content itself." Thank you, FerretAfros, this is exactly what I was looking for. I just couldn't make sense of the pieces, but you explained it well. I don't like it, but at least I better understand it.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Question: If Burbank knows that TDO is inept, why do these folks have jobs/titles/respect? Why is there no shake up? Why isn't a team from out west being sent to O town to clean up? I get that they are reactionary, but aren't they also embarassed? And don't they think the small budget they do give TDO could be used more wisely? This is very confusing!<<<< They make money.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> At the risk of sounding Lutzian, Burbank has no faith in TDO being capable of handling an event of this magnitude. << Is this just your opinion?
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I think the disconnect for most of us and Burbank is that that we are looking for different things. As a guest I am looking for certain things, but the reality is that I am NOT the guest that Disney is interested in at WDW. The ideal WDW guest is going to fly in, stay at a Resort Hotel, purchase a 5+ day Magic Your Way ticket, I would eat all my meals on property, go home at the end of the week and come back next year of the year after. Because of that reality Disney has been able to cut back in quality and such since the one week guest might not notice, and if they do it will most likely be insignificant in terms of their vacation. Burbank pressures the WDW mgmt to run the parks on a tight budget and they in term make decisions based on that reality. I think most of us would love to think that there is someone out there who says "We are Disney and we need to spend that extra million dollars here to plus the experience." But the reality is that there is no one left who is that torch bearer. Even Imagineering has been neutered and is now a provider of things instead of the creative center. I know people in all levels of WDW and Imagineering and for the most part everyone tells me the same thing...its not the company it once was. I was speaking to a friend who is very high up at WDW and they confided that they were frustrated with the way the company runs WDW. We began at WDW about the same time and we talked about the traditions and foundations that were taught to us when we began and were constantly being held up as what Walt would do. This person said that is no longer the case. Its all about money they said. Every thing has to show how it relates to the bottomline. Very sad
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb >>>but there's a reason so many stars live in LA-- hell Oprah moving there from Chicago<<< Montecito is NOT LA! (Those of us in SB County are required by local law to make it very clear none of our cities, towns or unincorporated areas are in any way part of Los Angeles)
