Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<It's not clear at all that the US and the UK did not abide by the wishes of the Security Council.>> I don't know how it could not be, but if that is your opinion so be it. Of course I think it's just as wrong as you think my opinion is wrong. My advantage is that most of the world would agree with me.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Kofi Annan told the BBC the decision to take action in Iraq contravened the UN charter and should have been made by the Security Council, not unilaterally.>> Kofi Annan's opinions hardly qualify as the "wishes" of the UN Security Counsel. I find it ironic that here we have an example of when there actually is a unilateral UN decision to be made and Kofi Annan believes that is should have been exclusively made by the UN Security Counsel. Unbeliveable! Also Kofi Annan is not credible. He is a biased, opportunist. Who has used the Secretary General's title of the United Nations to promote his own biased Socialist agenda, while financially enriching himself and members of his family. Yes for some the UN is the "goose that layed the golden egg". Kofi isn't exactly free of suspicion himself. He is the same person who criticized Israel for defending itself recently and publically sided with a known terrorist group ( Hammas ) that "his" organization ( the United Nations ) aggreed to disband well over a decade ago. Seems to me if you live in a glass house you should throw stones. But I suppose if Kofi says it then it must be true <sarcasm>.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<My advantage is that most of the world would agree with me.>> Actually I think most of the world believes that Kofi Annon is a corrupt opportunitst who has financially enriched himself and members of his own family while millions around the world starved. Kofi slept while the Muslim threat murdered inocent people around the world. Way to go Kofi!
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder How does bashing Kofi Annan make Bush's end run around the U.N. any better?
Originally Posted By DAR <<<It's not clear at all that the US and the UK did not abide by the wishes of the Security Council.>>> <<I don't know how it could not be, but if that is your opinion so be it. Of course I think it's just as wrong as you think my opinion is wrong. My advantage is that most of the world would agree with me.>> So wait a sec, did Iraq abide by the Security Council?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/ asiapcf/10/10/korea.nuclear.test/index.html</a> So now we think this test wasn't successful, that something went wrong.
Originally Posted By DAR Here's how you deal with North Korea for real. You cut them off from the world with China leading the charge. Put down economic sanctions on them. Because it's pretty obvious that their leaders aren't using that money to feed their citizens.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't know how it could not be, but if that is your opinion so be it.> Last I heard we had 8 or 9 votes out of 15. But then France announced they veto no matter what, so the point became moot.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <How does bashing Kofi Annan make Bush's end run around the U.N. any better?> President Bush didn't "end run around" the UN.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "President Bush didn't "end run around" the UN." Yes he did.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Yesterday Senator McCain blamed the Clinton Administration for the current problems with North Korea. <a href="http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/4250399.html" target="_blank">http://www.chron.com/disp/stor y.mpl/nation/4250399.html</a> <<"I would remind Senator Clinton and other Democrats critical of the Bush administration's policies that the framework agreement her husband's administration negotiated was a failure. The Koreans received millions and millions in energy assistance. They've diverted millions of dollars of food assistance to their military.">>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Bush didn't try for U.N. approval because he knew he couldn't get it. Hence the end run. Any other interpretation isn't just spinning, it's dishonest, and that kind of crap is what's hurting the Republicans right now.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Bush didn't try for U.N. approval because he knew he couldn't get it.> He went to the UN. He got a resolution that told Iraq to comply with past resolutions or face serious consequences. To now claim he did an "end run" is just spinning, it's dishonest, and that kind of crap is what's hurting public discourse right now.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "To now claim he did an "end run" is just spinning, it's dishonest, and that kind of crap is what's hurting public discourse right now." It's obvious you have nothing in return when you resort to parroting. Imitation IS the most sincere form of flattery. I'm a registered Republican too Doug. I don't like them going down the tubes any more than you do, but enough's enough.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Yesterday Senator McCain blamed the Clinton Administration for the current problems with North Korea.>> Of course he did.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <It's obvious you have nothing in return when you resort to parroting.> Nonsense. I have the facts on my side. The parroting was just for fun.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder ^^^^No, you did. It's a fact the U.N. did not approve a U.S. invasion of Iraq. It's a fact an invasion would not have been approved had there been a vote. It's a fact we invaded anyway. Hence, the end run.
