Originally Posted By Tikiduck For the record, it's adolescent jealousy. I will be in the park in a few days, and will be sure to inform you of my meltdown upon seeing this capitalistic bastion of wealth and privilege thumbing it's nose at all of us nobodies while we watch with green envy as they do the cha-cha walking inside.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Uh...that's why I wrote "I bet." That usually means "I strongly suspect that..." and there is certainly no evidence that any of the people here who have criticized this move are on any waiting list, but whatever. I don't really have a dog in this fight, but it's perfectly possible to disapprove of this move for any number of reasons that have nothing to do with "adolescent jealousy."
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt For the record, it's adolescent jealousy. " Basically. It's like being upset because Disney has high-priced suites or timeshares overlooking DCA at the Grand Californian that you'll never afford.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Your wrong Hans. It is about having a wonderful place smack in the middle of NOS that only allows rich people inside. They are then given the exclusive opportunity to enjoy alcoholic beverages, which is prohibited everywhere else. What does that say? Rich people can handle their booze, while others cannot? Perhaps I wouldn't feel so left out if Blue Bayou served alcohol, but it galls me that it is a privilege reserved for the chosen few. It's not so much jealousy, it just isn't right.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt You don't have to be rich to become a member. That's how it USED to be. Now anyone can join, so honestly it isn't nearly as exclusive as it once was. If you don't have the money and want it that bad take out a loan or rob a bank. Whatever you do they aren't going to deny you a membership because you're not rich. This is such a stupid thing to be annoyed by. I'm done talking about it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SPP's point, to me, has nothing to do with the aesthetic changes, but is about how there was always (since '67, anyway) this place in DL that only the wealthy could access and the hoi polloi could not... but it was discreet. Now it's "in your face," or at least much more obviously so than before. Having not seen it in person I can't say how much more "in your face" it seems to me, but that was the point, I think." There you go, exactly. Walt Disney expressly wanted a place where one could forget the outside world and all it brought to a person, good, bad or indifferent. For the longest time no one knew it was there and even when people found out, it was still behind a rather unassuming door next to Blue Bayou that was easily overlooked. Over the years, Club 33 became well known, but yet the vast majority of people never saw it. Contrary to some people's assumptions, not only am I NOT on any waiting list, I have no desire to ever go there. It just doesn't interest me. So forget about any adolescent jealousy. However, perception IS reality for most people, and now we can all see the select few who actually get inside Club 33. While the intention may not have been to rub people's faces in it, what just about everyone will think who sees these people is "they're in there and I likely never will be". Yet another reminder of the class separation that grows each day among our population, and now it's always on display at Disneyland, something Walt Disney expressly said he didn't want there.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "For the record, it's adolescent jealousy. " Basically. It's like being upset because Disney has high-priced suites or timeshares overlooking DCA at the Grand Californian that you'll never afford." Bullsh--.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "You don't have to be rich to become a member. That's how it USED to be. Now anyone can join, so honestly it isn't nearly as exclusive as it once was. If you don't have the money and want it that bad take out a loan or rob a bank. Whatever you do they aren't going to deny you a membership because you're not rich." It's $11K a year annual membership. Define rich. <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://www.latimes.com/travel/themeparks/la-trb-club-33-disneyland-20140625-story.html">http://www.latimes.com/travel/...ory.html</a> This is such a stupid thing to be annoyed by. I'm done talking about it. Noted.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Don't want to see the outside world, eh? You were probably leading the charge to get Starbucks in the Market House." Not even a good try. Quite the opposite.
Originally Posted By smd4 Gee, SPP, I wonder what the less-fortunate folks in Anaheim think when they see you waltz into a Park they can't afford to take themselves of their family to, because it's too pricey. You're right--it is bullsh...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Imitation? Really? So you're angry or embarrassed now, is that it? Jim in Merced think this needs no explanation. He thinks the point is perfectly clear. Dabob's explained it to you, as have I. That you want to continue to go down this road is your choice.
Originally Posted By smd4 I understand you think it's "in your face." I just think it's ridiculous that you can find some kind of "class warfare" here to be upset about. Too many people here are focused on grumbling about being part of the 99 percenters when they should be aspiring to be a one percenter. It's all sour grapes for you, and the more you "have" to see it, the worse it is. That I definitely "get."
Originally Posted By Dabob2 No, that you assume. No one said anything about class warfare. You extrapolate an awful lot based on someone's reaction to a theme park feature. (And just for the record, by definition only one percent of people can be in the top one percent. And the US, which used to lead the world in social mobility, has in the last 30 years fallen behind many countries. So while your homily sounds good, it has become increasingly hard to achieve.)
Originally Posted By Tikiduck I think smd4's sophomoric responses to reasonable opinions hardly warrant a reply. I would also wager that some of these jealous adolescents make very good livings, but still have some sense of fair play.
Originally Posted By believe "It is about having a wonderful place smack in the middle of NOS that only allows rich people inside." Actually, you don't have to be rich to go inside. You just have to know someone who can get you inside. Or work for a company that has membership who can get their employees in.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf What bothers me most about the unseemly expansion is that one of my favorite parts of DL just got beaten by an ugly stick because of a place I have zero interest in ever going.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Perhaps I wouldn't feel so left out if Blue Bayou served alcohol, but it galls me that it is a privilege reserved for the chosen few. It's not so much jealousy, it just isn't right." That's pretty much the only thing that bothers me. I almost enjoy going to DCA more for the fact that I can grab a alcoholic beverage.
