Originally Posted By HyperTyper I'm with WDW1974. Most people who have been vandalized (particularly with spray paint) find nothing funny about trashing someone else's property. It wasn't cool, it wasn't in-keeping with either civility or the Disney tradition, and I think it was a very misguided idea. >>> I just wish you weren't so quick to pass judgments on anyone who dared to think it was cute. <<< No one is passing judgements on people. It's the idea of vandalizing that (previously) has had no place or reason for being at Disney. Why is it that some people are expected to withold their criticism because it might make others uncomfortable, or hurt their feelings? If you like a trashed castle, stand-up and say so ... and take the argument, if one comes. I'm taking a lot of heat on another thread becuase I dared to say there were parts of "The Incredibles" that were inappropriate, despite my overall enthusiasm for the movie. A few people are calling ME overly sensitive, but their main beef is that they think I'm looking down on THEM and THEIR tastes. They didn't resent Disney/Pixar changing the groundrules for a family 'cartoon,' but they resent my speaking-up for standards that are stricter than their own. When Walt Disney and those who worked with him spent DECADES intentionally crafting an image of innocence, respect, impeccable quality, civility and good old-fashioned hospitality, it just does not make sense to undermine that with cheap stunts. Everyone can have their own opinion, but can we please let-go of the idea that to question Disney's judgement is a personal attack against anyone who finds it amusing? It wasn't personal, until those who called the 'vandalism' inappropriate were accused of snobbishly looking down on others. THAT'S being overly sensitive. It isn't snobbish to want clean castles and clean movies. Thanks, WDW1974, for speaking your mind ... respectfully and unapologetically.
Originally Posted By DramaMama07 I believe it is me you are talking to here and I would like to start by saying that WDW and I have already made peace about this issue. If you feel the need to re-open the issue then I will gladly share my feelings about why I said what I did and that I have nothing against WDW or the fact that he didn't like the graffiti. My issue was with the way it was presented. That was all. If you don't like the Grand Opening show for the Stitch attraction, I don't care that is totally 100% up to you. I only had a problem with the argument itself and the way it scared people who didn't understand WDW very well. That was really all it was and as I said before that whole thing is over with now. I said I was sorry for sounding angry when I wasn't. Besides it doesn't really matter now, the graffiti on the castle is down, the toilet paper is down, and I am even getting around to forgiving WDW (just kidding! Nothing but respect, I swear ) I guess that is all I have to say about that, sorry about the long post.
Originally Posted By Socrates Is there anything Disney could ever do that would never offend or upset anyone? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Is there anything Disney could ever do that would never offend or upset anyone?<< I think certain religious groups would jump at the chance to answer that question...
Originally Posted By WDW1974 <<Why is it that some people are expected to withold their criticism because it might make others uncomfortable, or hurt their feelings? If you like a trashed castle, stand-up and say so ... and take the argument, if one comes.>> It's really simple. Something TDLFAN and I spoke about yesterday while sitting on a bench watching Tomorrowland in action ... many people (not just on LP.co) live to be insulted. They want to feel victimized. It's a large part of American culture today. What I find amusing is often -- not always but often -- many of the loudest whiners complaining about being abused are in fact the abusers. <<Everyone can have their own opinion, but can we please let-go of the idea that to question Disney's judgement is a personal attack against anyone who finds it amusing? It wasn't personal, until those who called the 'vandalism' inappropriate were accused of snobbishly looking down on others. THAT'S being overly sensitive. It isn't snobbish to want clean castles and clean movies. Thanks, WDW1974, for speaking your mind ... respectfully and unapologetically.>> And I thank you for having the intelligence and plain old common sense to see that's all I was -- and will continue to do.
Originally Posted By WDW1974 <<Besides it doesn't really matter now, the graffiti on the castle is down, the toilet paper is down, and I am even getting around to forgiving WDW (just kidding! Nothing but respect, I swear ) >> Right back at you! I only disrespect those who disrespect me or my friends or those who lie. You expressed an opinion. I explained mine. That's it. I will say to get back around to Stitch that there was a 75-minute wait around 6 p.m. Sunday when TDLFAN and I left the MK. I got in line again about 11 p.m. when the wait time said 10 minutes, but got a phone call, left the queue and decided I'd rather ride things I know I'll like. So in about 35 minutes I rode Splash Mountain twice (it did look better than in June, only one major effect was out and the temp inside was better, but still not cold enough), Big Thunder once and Peter Pan once. But I doubt my opinion would change. I've already done it three times and the same things I didn't like kept on keeping on.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN That is what Fastpass is forcing us to do now... Ride our favorite attractions at the end of the day so you don't have to spend a whole afternoon waiting in any single standby line with children making noises around you. I guess that is probably the *only* good thing that ever came out of the FP system.
Originally Posted By Labuda "I only disrespect those who disrespect me or my friends or those who lie." So does that mean you no longer respect me since on my last WDW vacation I repeatedly told my husband I didn't care what we did next and I'd be happy to do whatever he wanted? RATS! Sorry!
