Originally Posted By Dabob2 <No info one way or another why he did it.> Apparently he was drunk. Which may be all there is to this one. See ya'll in a few days.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>The alleged stabber worked for a group that SUPPORTED the Muslim community center. He's been in Afghanistan for several months. No evidence that he listens to Beck. No info one way or another why he did it.<< Fair enough. I spoke too quickly on this specific issue. While I believe my overall point about inciting violence is correct, it's clear that I've picked the wrong example as a jumping off point.
Originally Posted By hopemax re: post 39 & 40. So I am not the only one that was beginning to think so. There was something awfully familiar in the "I'm gonna just do everything that I think libs/Dems stand for" phrasing.
Originally Posted By DAR Hate to disappoint you guys but I haven't been near a computer with the exception of work. Vacation where I was gladly away from the internet, setting up a project at work before I leave for Vegas next week. Had to look in on Grandma, she took a tumble the other day(she's okay) Went out for my birthday today. Going to Green Bay for the Packer game tomorrow. This is really the only time I've had to sit down and read anything that wasn't work related. And I've never been one to create a sock puppet, it's not worth my time and effort. Like always if I'm saying something it's coming from me. But right now I just don't have the energy anymore to be constantly trying to defend my views that so many of you find offensive. I wish you all the best now and in the future.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo What I find disturbing about the anti Islamic rhetoric and actions in the US is on a part with Germany in the 1930's (though not fuelled by the government leader). The prejudice and fear is scary and sickening.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "What I find disturbing about the anti Islamic rhetoric and actions in the US is on a part with Germany in the 1930's (though not fuelled by the government leader). The prejudice and fear is scary and sickening." Not to excuse it, but this is nothing new. As much as we'd like to, we can't lay this solely at the doorstep of the GOP or any moron like Glenn Beck. The U.S. has a history of this, but it isn't exclusive to this country. We all tend to demonize our enemies. We did it to the Japanese in WWII, and we did it to the Germans in WWI. Trouble is, no one ever learns from mistakes.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***And oddly well-timed too...*** DAR is full of crap. And sock puppets are hardly out of the question for him, denied or otherwise.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***We did it to the Japanese in WWII, and we did it to the Germans in WWI*** I'm not familiar with WWI history (sad to say), but the Germans and the Japanese were certainly demonized during WWII. This is, though, they DESERVED IT! Even though it was only certain elements of their nation, those elements were doing horrific things. Unconscionable things. They deserved the demonization, and paid the price accordingly. I can't for the life of me equate THAT to demonizing ALL middle-easterners for the crimes of a handful of radicals. To me, that equates to condemning all Southerners for the crimes of the few who lynched black people back in the 50's. Most Southerners just lived there.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 Um, my 100% German grandmother living in Oakland and her 100% Japanese best girlfriend did not deserve to be spit at, ostrasized, demonized and ripped apart due to the Japanese internment camps. It's the same thing. There were plenty of people living in the US back then affected by the actions of a specific group.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "What I find disturbing about the anti Islamic rhetoric and actions in the US is on a part with Germany in the 1930's (though not fuelled by the government leader)." I don't know if I'd take it that far. There was an Islamic spokesperson on MSNBC the other day saying that if you think it's bad here you should see the attitudes towards Muslims in parts of Europe. Apparently it's much worse.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well I have not seen it bad in the UK, France, Spain or Germany, but I cannot speak for all countries. what I am worried about over here is because money is getting tight due to the Depression, the right wing are increasing in popularity.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Well I have not seen it bad in the UK, France, Spain or Germany, but I cannot speak for all countries." There have been some very controversial civil rights discrimination laws towards Muslims instituted in France. Job discrimination against Muslims in that country is well known.
Originally Posted By ecdc Here's a most astute assessment of Glenn Beck, crazy persons, attempt to rewrite our history. <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/08/26/bunch.beck.history/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINIO...dex.html</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Um, my 100% German grandmother living in Oakland and her 100% Japanese best girlfriend did not deserve to be spit at, ostrasized, demonized and ripped apart due to the Japanese internment camps." That's what I'm referring to. Little known fact, but we put Germans in camps in WWI as well.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Quite the list. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_concentration_and_internment_camps" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L...nt_camps</a>
