Originally Posted By mawnck >>But yet if it happened at a Tea Party rally most here would say it represents and is typical of the entire movement.<< Horse foofie. Are you on the Koch Brothers' payroll, or are you getting their talking points second-hand? >>Oh and in NY one of the volunteers was accused of assault by two women so what did they do, they told him to leave<< And had him arrested. Oops, did your "news" source forget that part? Just a reminder, the VICTIMS were OWS protesters. >>In Baltimore organizers were telling people to not report any sexual assaults to the police. That "they would deal with it."<< A direct quote from Occupy Baltimore's website: "Instances of sexual abuse and assault will be handled according to the expressed desires of the victim. The Security and Medical teams are equipped with a list of resources, including contact information for the police, hospitals, sexual assault hotlines, and women's shelters. In these instances, #occupybaltimore welcomes the involvement of the Baltimore City Police and encourages victims to report crimes. We also recognize that the U.S. Justice System is flawed, especially when it comes to cases of sexual assault. If for any reason the victim feels uncomfortable with police involvement, their wishes will be respected." That being said, there have been no credible reports of sexual assaults at Occupy Baltimore. >>In Dallas, a 14 year old girl may have been involved.<< And again, the unregistered sex offender who allegedly did it was arrested. The victim, a runaway, had previously claimed to the protest organizers that she was 19. They're now checking IDs of anyone in the camp that looks underage. And "Police said they have addressed the security at the camp and are not concerned." (wfaa.com) C'mon ... give me some more. I dare you. Your news sources suck, and so does your mindset.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney ^^^Ha! That's the truth. The peaceful Occupy Oakland protesters WERE, however, the ones who led to the shutdown of the Port of Oakland,keeping people from their jobs. I guess for a lot of people that's no big deal, for my cousin, who lost his full time job of 12 years a couple of years ago, it is. If he doesn't work, he DOESN'T get paid. I guess if he was in that top 1% then their celebrating at shutting down the port would make sense. Unfortunately for him and his family, he's not. They live paycheck to paycheck and he never takes a day off. How is this helping? I still don't understand this movement, and anyone who knows me knows I lean left and am disgusted by the Tea Party and their rhetoric. I think what I'm missing is...how is any of this helping?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Skinnerbox, since you live in SF, where are the Occupy protesters there? I heard they were in the Union Square area but the person who told me wasn't sure. How are the occupy protestors affecting San Francisco's daily life and the tourists?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Aargh! I need to edit. Whoops!! My "Ha! That's the truth" was for post 40!!!!
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I think what I'm missing is...how is any of this helping?<< I think you're in a bit of a catch 22 mindset here. "Can't they go protest where they won't disrupt anything?" No, that's not how it works. It sucks for your cousin, definitely, but he is not the target of the protest, and you shouldn't think of him as such. Just as OWS is making life difficult for rank-and-file Wall Street office workers and pedestrians in general, this one-day action in Oakland caused economic hardship for dock workers. If you have a suggestion for a way to protest corporations without causing problems for their employees, I'm sure the Occupy _______ people would love to hear it. The port thing was a show of sheer numbers - a very successful one, I might add - but I do think you have a point. Probably not the best choice for a target. BTW, have you actually talked to your cousin about it? Some sources are claiming that most port workers supported the action, as did the truckers. I'd be interested in hearing his take on it. The point of any protest is to raise awareness of an issue that's not being addressed by conventional means, and then to keep it in the news. And you know it's having an effect when the Right-Wing Astroturf Machine feels the need to spew out gazillions of discussion board posts about "filthy Socialist hippies who sexually assault 14-year-olds".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "There shouldn't have been any in the first place" Come on, man. Weak. That's like saying there shouldn't be any street crime on a given night. Of course there shouldn't be, but guess what-- there is. And that's who these people were: common garden variety street thugs.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 No that's my own thought. All my thoughts are my own. <<Just a reminder, the VICTIMS were OWS protesters.>> Well then that makes it more acceptable. <<And had him arrested. Oops, did your "news" source forget that part?>> I posted the links you can obviously see where it came from. None of this should be acceptable. Instead we're given bs that oh they must be "plants" or they were paid to do this. Or it's just a small group of people and doesn't represent everyone. Well you know what one its too many.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 One mugging a night in Chicago of Philly is too many. But that's what criminals do. If "one is too many" is all you've got to try to tag thousands of people with the actions of some criminals...that's worse than weak, it's disingenuous.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>No that's my own thought. All my thoughts are my own.<< That's what they've programmed you to think. No, I'm being serious. Interesting that you launch the thread with "if any these acts happened at a Tea Party rally, the you-know-what would be hitting the fan" when you're the one throwing the poobombs. >>None of this should be acceptable. Instead we're given bs that oh they must be "plants" or they were paid to do this. Or it's just a small group of people and doesn't represent everyone.<< Not plants. Not paid stooges. And definitely not acceptable. It was an anarchist organization called the Black Bloc. It was not Occupy Oakland. Members of Occupy Oakland put themselves in harm's way trying to stop it, and then helped with the clean-up afterwards. Limbaugh at us all you'd like, it doesn't change a thing.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Fine it wasn't any of the occupied group because they're just good people. Because we know there nothing but good people
Originally Posted By PotNoodle Here is what I what I took away from this thread; one poster here stands out an examplary of why the US educational system needs an overhaul--STAT. And DDMAN, you were SO quick to dismiss me. Did you even have a cursory glance at the literature I proposed people look at? This is a small contingent of troublemakers. They are the same type of people who were in Vancouver to riot regardless of the outcome--they wanted to riot period. You are unwilling to differentiate them from the *Occupiers* and you are using them to confirm your bias.
Originally Posted By mawnck Confirmation bias gone berserk, that's exactly what it is. He's lost the argument in a spectacular way, and look at his response. Post 51. A response as idiotic and nonsensical as anything ever seen on these boards. (And grammatically challenged as well. Funny how that happens.) The clingers have stopped clinging to their guns and religion, and are now clinging to the fairy stories their mind masters have been poisoning them with since, and I almost but not quite hate to bring this up, the fairness doctrine was lifted. I think repealing that doctrine is eventually going to be considered a key mistake. It had a very important purpose; slowing the spread of stupid. You can't reach them with any amount of facts. Rush Limbaugh could hit them in the face with a baseball bat and they'd say Obama did it. There's only one true reality, but they've decided they don't like it so they're going to pretend it doesn't exist anymore. And they're going to pretend SO hard, that rational thought itself becomes to them a liberal plot against The United States of Their Fantasy. The zombie apocalypse is here. Meet the zombies.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<And grammatically challenged as well. Funny how that happens.)>> Well as anyone who's ever talked instead of typed a message knows that tends to happen. And if you looked at my earlier posts you would see that I said it didn't represent the group as a whole. The message and good intentions of the movement have been corrupted by a group that have left me with a sour taste over how things have transpired.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Edit Well as anyone who's ever talked instead of typed a message in their phone knows that tends to happen.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Do you have any links?<< <a href="http://www.vancouverobserver.com/blogs/overheardolympics/2010/02/13/black-bloc-riot-2010-olympic-games-damages-hudson-bay-company" target="_blank">http://www.vancouverobserver.c...-company</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Only for those willing to say "There was a protest with a good message. Then unrelated anarchists showed up and got violent. Therefore the message isn't any good." And that would not be a very bright thing to say.
