Originally Posted By andyll <<what about section 8 housing $150B + and I notice you left out the $10.3 trillion spent on welfare that dwarfs the Iraq war cost.>> I must of missed a post... where did these number come from. In 2010 ALL housing assitence was 58 Billion. All food was 98 Billion Other income assetance ( which I assume is general welfare ) was 181 Billion So a bit over 300 Billion and likely a decent chunk of that is not really welfare. The numbers I gave came from the actual CBO budget numbers: <a href="http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbudget/fy12/hist.html" target="_blank">http://www.gpoaccess.gov/usbud...ist.html</a> Table 3.2
Originally Posted By ecdc <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINION/07/18/frum.debt.showdown.gop/index.html" target="_blank">http://www.cnn.com/2011/OPINIO...dex.html</a> David Frum gets this one right. >>The only deal they would contemplate is one that was 100% spending cuts, 0% tax increases -- that is, all their own way, total surrender by the president. Unconditional surrender was the Republican demand in the health care debate. That demand led to an unmitigated defeat. Unconditional surrender has become the Republican demand in the debt demand. The original Republican plan was to threaten to tip the country into default unless the GOP got everything it wanted. That threat is proving empty, as Republicans' business constituencies mutiny against their party's dangerous tactics. If blackmail won't work -- and negotiation is not allowed by the party's own taboos -- then the party that asked for everything is on its way to becoming the party that got nothing. Only it's not just the GOP that is the loser. It's the whole country.<<
Originally Posted By gadzuux I spent some time surfing through the cable news shows tonight, and it amazes me how many people are saying that default is no big deal. This is no longer considered a "fringe" view. Some fox poll asked whether the debt limit default would be "impactful" to the economy - 60% said no. I agree with Frum in this - wall street is yanking on the GOP like a leash on a crazy dog. The real problem is that Boehner has no control over his own house members, and cannot be counted on to deliver anything - even bills they support. He needs the minority democrats to join with him to get anything at all passed through the house, but he's got nothing to bargain with, and the dems know it. So he's now an empty suit and essentially irrelevant to the process. In the meantime, the crazies in the GOP house decide that now's the time to take up constitutional amendments - something they can brag about to the folks back home. And we slowly continue to circle closer to the drain . . .
Originally Posted By vbdad55 The real problem is that Boehner has no control over his own house members, and cannot be counted on to deliver anything - even bills they support ----- because the party is so fractured I think this is true-- you have the standard GOP -- the baggers and the far right nut jobs all sharing the same banner.....
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Originally Posted By Littlespanishlingo All you need to know is if Obama talks he is lying. He made us spend 1.6 trillion dollars more then we took in, and now us wants to act like.... How did this happen? What a creep ha!
Originally Posted By Littlespanishlingo All you need to know is if Obama talks he is lying. He made us spend 1.6 trillion dollars more then we took in, and now acts like.... How did this happen? What a creep ha!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 another visit from our favorite troll I suppoe-- I see lots of ADMIN postings.. get a life
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 It must be troll/sock puppet week. I post over at the Box Office Mojo forums and naturally Harry Potter has been the big topic. One person has created several accounts to completely argue with the fans of the series. And even created another persona to argue with himself.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I post over at the Box Office Mojo forums and naturally Harry Potter has been the big topic. One person has created several accounts to completely argue with the fans of the series. And even created another persona to argue with himself.<< That wacky Voldemort and his horcruxes.
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