Originally Posted By X-san I'd really like to hear some specifics. I've listened to what he's proposing, and have heard nothing to support your claims. It's entirely possible I've missed something, however, so if it's really true can you cite specific policies he is proposing along with links where I can check out those proposals in detail?
Originally Posted By dshyates A Sept. 10th mindset is better than a perpetual September 12th mindset which is the GOPs answer. OOOoooooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!! The terrorists are gonna git'cha. Yes, we were attacked. Yes, it was bad. One single planned attack is no reason to change the way we go about policing the world. Like it or not, this is a police action. Not a declared "War". "The War on Terror" is a marketing ploy, not a definition. And I love how they imply that by restoring Habeas Corpus and having people like Osama bin Laden tried in court to face his crimes, that he will somehow be let free.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan A Sept. 10th mindset is better than a perpetual September 12th mindset which is the GOPs answer.<< Exactly. >>And I love how they imply that by restoring Habeas Corpus and having people like Osama bin Laden tried in court to face his crimes, that he will somehow be let free.<< He can't be much more free than he is now, seeing as all these years later he's still on the loose.
Originally Posted By DlandDug So our ONLY choices are 9/10 or 9/12? And anyone who believes that 9/11 was some sort of stand alone event must have a sleep disorder or something.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan So our ONLY choices are 9/10 or 9/12?<< Nope. That's why politicians can't be allowed to frame the discussion that way.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan It's important to remember those dates while not forgetting 9/17/1787 in the process.
Originally Posted By dshyates So we were attacked by foreign terrorists on 2, (TWO) days in the 232 year history of this great country and the result is we throw our founding priniples in the trash? 9/11 should have provided a new perspective, not a new GOP power grab.
Originally Posted By X-san ***No but we need to use any and all means to bring them down.*** But we aren't, you know. Specifically, the GOP republican right-wingers are not doing so. Ask yourself why only 20 percent of the resources are actually being devoted to the "war on terror", the actual hunting down and capturing of real terrorists in Afghanistan.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<***No but we need to use any and all means to bring them down.***>> It's too late. The terrorists have already won. Our Constitution has been peed on. Our stature in the world has been diminished more than I ever thought possible. We all have to go through time consuming BS every time we get on a plane. It is almost impossible to imagine the billions and billions of dollars that the U.S. has spent in response to 9/11. We need to stop being so scared of a bunch of two-bit terrorists.
Originally Posted By X-san ***We need to stop being so scared of a bunch of two-bit terrorists.*** What do you expect. The indoctrination began way back in 1991, for heavens' sake! If you don't actually HAVE a powerful, frightening enemy...invent one. Right?
Originally Posted By DAR We did not make up this enemy they were always there. It's unbelievable that we're the one's who were attacked and yet we have to apologize. What's next the Jews saying their at fault for the Holocaust?
Originally Posted By dshyates "It's unbelievable that we're the one's who were attacked and yet we have to apologize. What's next the Jews saying their at fault for the Holocaust?" That is absolutely nonsensical. We don't have to apologize for being attacked. Logic obviously isn't your strong suit.
Originally Posted By DAR Really we don't have to apologize for Iraq, Afghanistan Guantanamo or Abu Ghraib?
Originally Posted By dshyates Yes, we need to apologize for the atrocities they we commit. But what does that have to do with apologizing for being attacked.
Originally Posted By dshyates And from what I understand, we have nothing to apologize for in Afghanistan. Iraq, Gitmo and Abu Ghraib. Are completely different story.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Because we are apologizing for retailiating in a sense." No, we would be apologizing for being evil-doers. We had all the world behind us cheering us on in our retailliation efforts. until we started rounding up innocent people, torturing, killing, and holding them indefinitely.
