Originally Posted By dshyates DAR, You seem to think that since we were attacked we are absolved of any responsibility for our own actions in regards to the terrorists and anyone standing near them. So your OK with rouding them all up, guilty and innocent alike. Crush their testicles and shove electric prodes in their anuses to find out if they are innocent? What if we just go ahead and kill them all and let God sort them out.
Originally Posted By DAR <<DAR, You seem to think that since we were attacked we are absolved of any responsibility for our own actions in regards to the terrorists and anyone standing near them.>> Yes we should be. They brought the fight to us and we brought it back to them. And I hope Obama continues that fight. <<So your OK with rouding them all up, guilty and innocent alike. Crush their testicles and shove electric prodes in their anuses to find out if they are innocent? What if we just go ahead and kill them all and let God sort them out.>> Who says they're innocent? Remember the scenes of people in Muslim countries cheering when 9/11 happened?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Well, DAR, you seem awfully happy about what's happening to "these people". Would you say you are cheering inwardly about what's happening to them?
Originally Posted By DAR I sleep better at night knowing there's one less terrorist left in the world. Or one maybe suffering. They cheering the murder of innocents. Newsflash-We're not the bad guys in this, try to remember that.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney I think we have become the bad guys. It's unfortunate, but true. Our country has broken the Geneva Convention and the Eighth Amendment to the Constitution.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Yes we should be." So we can kill, tourture, nuke anyone we want because we were attacked? How very GOP. So where do we stop. Just torture and kill all middle easterners or should we move into Mainland Europe. Killing everyone in our path.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Newsflash-We're not the bad guys in this, try to remember that." Being attacked didn't make us the Bad Guys. But torturing, killing civilians in Haditha, and falsely imprisoning people DOES make us a bad guy. Maybe not as bad as Bin Laden. Maybe just Soviet bad. But maybe your OK with being as rightous as the Soviets. I, am not.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney DAR, you too are cheering the murder of innocents. How many innocent people have died in Iraq at the hands of our soldiers, whether by accident or not? <a href="http://www.iraqbodycount.org/" target="_blank">http://www.iraqbodycount.org/</a> This is old information from 2005: "The study, compiled from more than 10,000 media reports, says that 37% (9,270) civilians have been killed by US-led forces. Half of all deaths (53%, 13,178) were caused by explosives, with 60% of those (7,961) being due to air-dropped bombs. Three-quarters of the deaths from air-dropped bombs were during the invasion before May 2003." This is from the BBC: <<" Last Updated: Monday, 23 October 2006, 15:02 GMT 16:02 UK Iraq Body Count: War dead figures The number of civilians reported to have been killed during the Iraq war and subsequent military presence is being recorded by the campaign group Iraq Body Count. On 15 October 2006 it put the total number of reported civilian dead at 41,744 to 46,668 and the number of police dead at 2,578. The issue of counting the number of Iraqis killed since the US-led invasion is highly controversial and the figure is disputed. The US and UK military authorities do not record the number of civilians killed by their forces. The security situation and administrative chaos also make counting extremely difficult. Figures shown include the period up to 15 October 2006 Figures are an average of the IBC minimum and maximum deaths Figures for coalition troops from Iraq Coalition Casualty Count Iraq Body Count uses a survey of online news reports to produce its running tally, including a "minimum" and "maximum" figure where reports differ, or it is unclear whether a person killed was a civilian. The figures include not only deaths caused by military action, but also those it considers a "direct result" of Iraq's breakdown in law and order. In a statement on its website, Iraq Body Count says "civilian casualties are the most unacceptable consequence of all wars" and must be recorded and - if possible - investigated. Because it relies on deaths reported by the media, it suggests its figures are an underestimate as "many if not most civilian casualties will go unreported". Further details about Iraq's population On 12 December, US President George W Bush said about 30,000 Iraqis had been killed since the war began. His spokesman later said the figure was not an official one and was based on "public estimates cited by media reports" - a method similar to that used by Iraq Body Count. Nevertheless, Iraq Body Count's methods and its ability to compile accurate statistics have been questioned by critics, with some arguing that it has greatly underestimated the number of casualties. One study, published by the Lancet medical journal in October 2006, suggested that about 655,000 people had died in Iraq as a result of the 2003 invasion. ">> Any of these could be true, the U.S. won't give us the count. Do we have our revenge yet??
Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's worth noting, too, that those Iraqi civilians had nothing to do with 9/11, thus even if you accept "revenge" as justification, it wouldn't apply here. I think it's also a safe bet that most of those civilians had no love for Saddam Hussein.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <It's important to remember those dates while not forgetting 9/17/1787 in the process.> WE post of the week, 2oony.
Originally Posted By DAR But our soldiers didn't intentionally kill those people that's the difference.
Originally Posted By dshyates "They (were) cheering the murder of innocents." So are you. And the torturing of innocents and the indefinite imprisonment of innocents. I think what most people are saying is that they want the Gov't to seperate the innocent from the guilt. Fire up old sparky for the guilty and let the innocent go. When or more importantly if there ever do something bad. Go get them and kill'em to death. What is really disturbing is that you seem to fail to realize that it is never right to cook someone from the feet up with an blow torch. Regardless of how you personally feel about them.
Originally Posted By DAR <<So are you. And the torturing of innocents and the indefinite imprisonment of innocents.>> But they're not innocent, we captured them in battle. They were fighting against our soldiers or were part of terrorist camps.
Originally Posted By dshyates "But they're not innocent," How do we know without a trail. "we captured them in battle." No, we captured them while in a battle in Iraq. We don't know who they are. What they are. Who they were fighting or protecting themselves from. That's why there needs to be trials. You can't arrest everyone in the middle east on the basis that if they have a gun they are terrorists fighting to bring down America.
Originally Posted By DAR If the gun is point towards our soldiers if they don't kill them then we can damn well arrest them.
Originally Posted By dshyates DAR, you think everyone in Gitmo and Abu Gharib was arrested pointing a gun at a U. S. soldier? And that's all you need to know to lock them away forever? Your a frickin' simpleton.
