Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yes, committees can be slow. But "cut to the chase?" Again, easier said than done in the real world. Who makes the quick decision to "cut to the chase?" Sounds like you want a "benevolent dictator" system. Efficient... not always wise.
Originally Posted By DAR <<Who makes the quick decision to "cut to the chase?" >> The military? Police? Fire?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You tell me, DAR. You're the one who wants to "cut to the chase." Who makes the quick decision on what our policy is on ocean management? Could it be you want a "czar" or something? Seriously - who makes that quick decision, and why does he/she get to make it? Is it reviewable? Who gets to overrule it? Where does he get expert advise on? (Surely not a committee...)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Who makes the quick decision on what our policy is on ocean management?<< Czarque Cousteau?
Originally Posted By DAR No I meant it as those three are in the business of quick decisions. There's no discussion, you already have a plan. Here's kind of a funny story and I know it doesn't relate to protecting our oceans, so just relax. A few weeks ago I'm at my friends house. His daughter who's four is playing in the driveway, kicking a ball around. She kicks the ball and it rolls into the road, but it stops where the drive meets the road. She goes into the road to retrieve the ball. My friend says to his daughter, "Kira what did your mother and I discuss with you about running into the road." Kira of course replied, while staying in the road that she shouldn't be there without an older person. My friend continued the conversation with his daugther, while she was still in the road. I looked at him and asked what the hell he was doing. He stated that they discuss everything with Kira. I told him that was fine but she's in the road. At which point I turned around, said Kira, honey, get out of the road. And she walked back into the driveway. The point is you don't have a committee with a four year to discuss why she shouldn't be in the road without supervision, you tell her to get out. And you don't have a committee to tell people not to destroy our oceans, you tell them point blank don't destroy oceans and the rest of the Earth while you're at it.
Originally Posted By ecdc And what happens when they don't do it? And if you set up laws, what happens when a good portion of lawmakers (read: Republicans) oppose the new laws because they claim it stifles business and call it socialism? And wait, why would government have to tell people this anyways? I mean, it's just so obvious, right? People already know not to pollute oceans. Businesses would never do such a thing. Except they do.
Originally Posted By queenbee Actually, DAR, you're example proves sometimes people need a little guidance. I'm sure your friend is a fine father but at that moment he needed a "committee" (dad and dad's friend) to help him see the appropriate action to take. I would suggest that with issues like ocean management, which is complicated, people need a bit of guidance as to the appropriate actions to take. I don't find it suprising at all that complicated issues take time to figure out and that more than one person (a committee) is required.
Originally Posted By DAR <<I would suggest that with issues like ocean management, which is complicated, people need a bit of guidance as to the appropriate actions to take. I don't find it suprising at all that complicated issues take time to figure out and that more than one person (a committee) is required. >> Okay but when this committee is meeting, are we still telling people to keep our oceans clean or are we telling them to wait until this committee decides how our oceans should be kept clean? I think the first answer would apply best.
Originally Posted By ecdc DAR, the thing is, we're all with you. I don't know anyone who likes the bureaucracy or the difficulties we face in getting the most common sense legislation passed or rules enacted. I don't know anyone who likes big government, for that matter. We all wish people and businesses were more responsible and had a better sense of community commitment and ethics. But this is the reality we face. It's terribly discouraging and I go through plenty of periods of depression over it. I really think if I had the means I'd have moved to Europe long ago. But common sense isn't so common. One man's obvious solution is another's catastrophe (see the response to healthcare reform). It's just how it is.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "And you don't have a committee to tell people not to destroy our oceans, you tell them point blank don't destroy oceans and the rest of the Earth while you're at it." it's weird that you say your story "doesn't relate to protecting the oceans" and then you instantly...relate it to protecting the oceans. But #30 is right on the mark.
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