Originally Posted By PotNoodle I know, I mean when the contract expires. I should have mentioned that in my post. Do you when the contract expires? And in retrospect, Lenovo and and HP will not co-exist within the same park. But I was just putting the idea out there (albeit in haste).
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I'm not an Obama fan but I don't have any problem with a President going to Disneyworld. They tour factories, schools, farms, national parks, etc. Why not the most popular tourist destination on the planet? Now, I might have a problem if they closed the park just for him and his family and our tax dollars paid for that. Otherwise, I just don't see a reason to complain...other than just the generic..."I MUST COMPLAIN ABOUT OBAMA EVERY CHANCE I GET" nonsense.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^I'm only complaining because I don't need more Brazilian tour groups pushing me and chanting in my ear when I'm waiting in line. Or leaving their trash all over the damn place.
Originally Posted By dagobert Is it really that bad with Brazilian groups? In 2008 we hadn't any problems, but our US friends suggested to stay at the Pop Century instead of the All Star Resorts, because of tour groups staying there. When you look into European Disney Boards about Disneyland Paris, then you can see people complaining about the Spanish groups. Since we always go in the off season with no school holidays, we have never had any problems there as well. However friends told us that they had big problems with Spanish teen groups.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Is it really that bad with Brazilian groups?>> Yes. 2008 is when I started working there, and I saw the problem get worse and worse as the years have gone by. It really is a shame, and has a very negative impact on a lot of guests' experiences.
Originally Posted By PotNoodle Oh, wow. I thought you were joking about the Brazilians. Apparently it's a new visa scheme to allow travlers from emerging economies easier entrance into the US. I've never been to WDW while they are there. I don't like to generalize about groups. But this sounds like too many teens and a lack of proper adult supervision--not neccessarily a Brazilian thing. It's all cyclical, in the 80s, it was Japanese tour groups.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Not really. They partially bankrolled his campaign. It's not a coup at all." *rolls eyes*
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I've never been to WDW while they are there. I don't like to generalize about groups. But this sounds like too many teens and a lack of proper adult supervision--not neccessarily a Brazilian thing. >> I don't care what the reason is, but it's there, and they're the main group that are a problem. No matter what the case is, Disney needs to man up and allow their cast to deal with the problems, instead of letting them run wild in the park.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<"Not really. They partially bankrolled his campaign. It's not a coup at all." *rolls eyes*>> Just throwing a big ol log of truth onto the fire, Hans.
Originally Posted By PotNoodle You and I both know they won't do a damn thing, they are walking dollar signs to MBAs. They will get them while they are young and they will move up the value chain as they get older. Disney doesn't care that the family of four who is staying at POP with free dining has to listen to chanting or they couldn't ride SM because the tour group took all of the fast passes. But I hear the girls like to flash men, so all is not lost. Bom dia!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<You and I both know they won't do a damn thing, they are walking dollar signs to MBAs. They will get them while they are young and they will move up the value chain as they get older.>> See...I dunno how much of a walking dollar signs they are. I've been told by multiple higher ups that aside from hotel stays, they spend very little money on food/merch.
Originally Posted By PotNoodle They spend little now. Call me a cynic, they are hoping that these teens have such a great time, they will want to return with their parents (who might foot the bill for more luxe lodgings) or they will return with their own families when they get older. Maybe even join DVC, or better yet a home in Golden Oak? Who knows? There's a growing middle glass to tap into down there, moreso than here or Europe. It the same reason why you have all of this princess puke. Little girls grow into women who want fairytale weddings and then become wives/mothers who do the vacation planning. Get 'em while they are young. Again, feel free to call me cynical. Everyone else does.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Just throwing a big ol log of truth onto the fire, Hans." And I'm being deliberately snarky. It's not everyday that a sitting President visits WDW, so regardless of the circumstances (and your relentless tone of negativity), his appearance, assuming that all goes well, will be a win for Disney and Orlando tourism.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I've been told by multiple higher ups that aside from hotel stays, they spend very little money on food/merch. >>> Even so, each additional person that comes from Brazil fills a hotel room that otherwise would be empty and buys a park admission ticket. That's a lot of potential additional revenue even if the average spend per guest is less than average.
Originally Posted By SuperDry So, I wonder what the changes to be announced will be? Will Brazil be added to the Visa Waiver Program (whereby nationals of certain countries can basically just show up and be admitted to the US without getting a visa)? That would be huge. Or, will there be some sort of intermediate program that falls somewhere between the full VWP and having to get a regular visa? Full VWP participation by Brazil would benefit American travelers as well, as it requires reciprocity: Americans would then be able to visit Brazil without having to pay for a visa.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It's not everyday that a sitting President visits WDW, so regardless of the circumstances (and your relentless tone of negativity), his appearance, assuming that all goes well, will be a win for Disney and Orlando tourism. >> No where did I say it wouldn't be... Don't really understand the point you're trying to make, if any.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Two key issues: Rio got the 2016 Summer Olympics. Establishing more tourist-friendly policies will ultimately benefit both nations, including Americans visiting Brazil for the Olympics. As for the Brazilian tour groups... I'd put them on par with the cheerleaders and their boyfriends. You want obnoxious behavior at a WDW resort after hours? The Brazilians pale in comparison to the hormone-crazed cheer teams, at least from what I've experienced. Brazilians groups can be challenging, but I won't cancel a WDW trip because of them. However... I will NEVER visit WDW during the cheerleading competitions, ever again.
Originally Posted By leobloom I bet with the added revenue from these Brazilian tour groups Disney will decide to start construction on new E-tickets for all four parks. I knew Obama could fix WDW, just like he fixed the Gulf.
