Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie This was a quote I actually heard today... "If I wanted to be a Socialist I would go back to Pre-World War II Germany. Hitler liked Socialism. I don't like Hitler."
Originally Posted By mawnck Ooh ... if I want to be in the Beatles, can I go back to Liverpool in 1962?
Originally Posted By Mr X If Hitler liked Socialism so much, why was he a Fascist? I mean, he had all the power right? I'm sure he could've put in a call to Stalin for some advice about adjusting things.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt Apparently not all GOP legislators agree with Palin's "Death Panel" scare tactics. Just yesterday Republican Senator Johnny Isakson called such talk from the former Governor of Alaska "nuts": <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/11/sen-johnny-isakson-nuts/" target="_blank">http://thinkprogress.org/2009/...on-nuts/</a>
Originally Posted By hopemax Yes, but today he felt the need to release a statement that included the following: "The House provision is merely another ill-advised attempt at more government mandates, more government intrusion, and more government involvement in what should be an individual choice." <a href="http://isakson.senate.gov/press/2009/081109healthcare.html" target="_blank">http://isakson.senate.gov/pres...are.html</a>
Originally Posted By Darkbeer But lets see what a democcrat (Camielle Paglia) has to say on the issue at Salon.com... <a href="http://www.salon.com/opinion/paglia/2009/08/12/town_halls/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/opinion/p...n_halls/</a> >>As a libertarian and refugee from the authoritarian Roman Catholic church of my youth, I simply do not understand the drift of my party toward a soulless collectivism. This is in fact what Sarah Palin hit on in her shocking image of a "death panel" under Obamacare that would make irrevocable decisions about the disabled and elderly. When I first saw that phrase, headlined on the Drudge Report, I burst out laughing. It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives. A death panel not only has the power of life and death but is itself a symptom of a Kafkaesque brave new world where authority has become remote, arbitrary and spectral. And as in the Spanish Inquisition, dissidence is heresy, persecuted and punished. Surely, the basic rule in comprehensive legislation should be: First, do no harm. The present proposals are full of noble aims, but the biggest danger always comes from unforeseen and unintended consequences. Example: the American incursion into Iraq, which destabilized the region by neutralizing Iran's rival and thus enormously enhancing Iran's power and nuclear ambitions. What was needed for reform was an in-depth analysis, buttressed by documentary evidence, of waste, fraud and profiteering in the healthcare, pharmaceutical and insurance industries. Instead what we've gotten is a series of facile, vulgar innuendos about how doctors conduct their practice, as if their primary motive is money. Quite frankly, the president gives little sense of direct knowledge of medical protocols; it's as if his views are a tissue of hearsay and scattershot worst-case scenarios.<<
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Anyone who gives Palin credit for coming up with "death panel" is nothing short of a world class idiot, and that includes people who post it.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Yes, but today he felt the need to release a statement that included the following..." Well ain't that something? Still, it doesn't change the fact that he clearly stated that Palin's got it all wrong. Who the heck is Camille Paglia and what does she have to do with the Georgia Senator's comments?
Originally Posted By ecdc Camille Paglia isn't a Democrat in the sense DB wants her to be. She's not in elected office nor has she been. She's simply a writer. And calling her a Democrat is stretching it. She may identify herself that way, but she's not known as a political commentator - she's best known as a feminist dissenter. So identifying her as a Democrat isn't quite as accurate as identifying Rush as a Republican.
Originally Posted By Mr X Calling her a Democrat is stretching it? I'll say, since the very first line reads "as a libertarian". Why lie, Darkbeer?
Originally Posted By Darkbeer <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camille_Paglia" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C...e_Paglia</a> >>Paglia describes herself as a feminist and as a registered Democrat...<<
Originally Posted By ecdc >>Paglia describes herself as a feminist and as a registered Democrat...<< Which I acknowledged she may very well do. So now what? We're quoting *anyone* who's a registered Democrat or Republican? I'm a registered Democrat, DB, will you please start quoting me more? DB, have you read what more intelligent Republicans are saying these days about YOUR party - David Frum, for example? Have you read what he's said about Rush Limbaugh?
Originally Posted By Mr X She also apparently acknowledges herself as a libertarian. Which is it? Should I believe her own words, or wikipedia?
Originally Posted By DAR <<Glenn Beck says that Obama wants to create a new America. I am against this and I am not afraid to say so! What is wrong with the regular old America we have now? Nothing! So don't try to change anything about it. You don't hear about a New France or a New germany or a New japan do you? No! They are fine with being their regular country and we should be too. There is a New Mexico and why wouldn't there be? People want out of the old Mexico. And there is a New York, I don't know what the old York was, but the New one is pretty popular. There is also a New Zealand. No one ever heard of Zealand in the first place so they needed a new one. But we don't!>> Just remember New Coke sucked.
Originally Posted By Mort2 Re #33: Wikipedia. Always believe everything you read on Wikipedia. Especially when it contradicts the source itself.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 < It seemed so over the top! But on reflection, I realized that Palin's shrewdly timed metaphor spoke directly to the electorate's unease with the prospect of shadowy, unelected government figures controlling our lives.> In other words, they tap into a fear that certain ignorant people have for no good reason, and exploit that fear for political gain. The same type of fear that people had that Obama was a "secret Muslim." Of course that was simply flat-out false. Obama is not and never was a Muslim, secret or otherwise. Now people like Palin stoke phantom fears that Obama is a secret euthanasia-ist (is that a word??) who's going to kill Grandma. It's ridiculous but some ignorant people really do have that fear. But simply because they have the fear (as millions had the fear of "secret Muslim"), do we legitimize it, as Paglia is doing, or call it out for the ignorance it is, and call out the cynical exploiters of it when they do it?
Originally Posted By ecdc I only think people are afraid because Obama wasn't even born in this country. They're scared of foreigners, and well, I can hardly blame them.
Originally Posted By RockyMtnMinnie I'm trying to laugh, but my God! People are just going nuts out there! Kenya, Hitler and now death squads. I can't even find the words to comment on how scared I am of these wackos.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan You should be scared but of the death panels! Not of the people who show up to meetings carrying guns. It's not like any politician has been assassinated in a lng time those days are behind us. No the thing to be worried about is how the government wants to force women to kill their babies. That's what this is all about. The government wants to get rid of all the people so that it has the country all to itself. This is why I hate the government, and why you should too. I am just sad that I thought Mr. Obama seemed like a nice man. If I had known that what he secretly wanted all along was to kill old people and babies then I probably wouldn't have voted for him. I bet John McCain didn't know that Obama wanted to kill old people or he wouldn't have wanted to be near him in those debates. He's lucky to have survived that! It's time for Mr. Obama to answer the questions people really care about, namely, why do you want to kill babies so bad, Mr. President? Why do you want to kill grandmas and grandpas? The people have a right to know!!!
Originally Posted By mele My mom knew that Obama wanted to kill babies. Why, oh why did I not listen to her?!
