Originally Posted By queenbee << Where the WH screwed up I believe was in the original wording of "What students can do to help the President?" That comes across as a little self serving but that's really a minor nitpick.>> As an elementary school teacher, this wording doesn't seem odd at all. It is very common to ask questions like, "How can we help the principal?" or "How can we help the janitor?" after discussing an issue like doing well in school or keeping the classroom clean.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt The Republicans are waiting for Obama to fail and continue to lay stumbling blocks in his path. The people who made such a big stink about this speech should be completely embarrassed and ashamed of themselves.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Yet they won't be. < This and tomorrows speech to Congress just smells like a media blitz, even if the message in the speech is positive. > In other words, even if the speech was good, it was Obama and therefore bad. Somehow.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Obama is always in the media...even when he is on vacation and asks the media to give him privacy. To say that these two days are any different than any other two days seems to be silly.
Originally Posted By DAR Since he threw his hat into the Presidential ring everyday has pretty much been a media blitz.
Originally Posted By mele Exactly WHY should Obama have released the exact content of the speech beforehand anyway? Is this going to be a new thing where we get to review the speeches in their entirety before they are actually given? Why give the damn speech at all, then? Pure stupidity here.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Exactly WHY should Obama have released the exact content of the speech beforehand anyway?<< Because you can't just have people telling kids to pursue their dreams, work hard and stay in school without going over it with a fine tooth comb. That's controversial stuff.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think all Presidential speeches are released to the media at east a short time before he goes on. And, I suspect he released this particular speech earlier than usual to calm down some of the hysteria. It was a smart move on his part.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I was the one who got admined early on after I told Darkbeer where to stick it. There is no reason to treat opinions like that with any kind of respect. I am so sick and tired of these ignorant points of view vis a vis this school talk, death panels, all of it. It IS encouraging to see people like wahooskipper be reasonable about it all, but what I'd like to see is the wahooskippers of the world run the Darkbeers of a cliff and out of the GOP. It's divisive and hurts everyone. Enough of this crap.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper SPP...do you have control of the blowhards in your party? Ignorance is on both sides of the aisle whether you want to admit it or not. I try my best to "kill them with kindness". Those of us who can BE civil, disagree, listen to other viewpoints and move on are standing in the wings waiting to move the mouths to the sidelines. It just won't happen overnight.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "SPP...do you have control of the blowhards in your party? Ignorance is on both sides of the aisle whether you want to admit it or not." No, because believe it or not, I'm a registered Republican, who will soon be decline to state.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Well, I certainly understand your feelings. On Facebook I list my political affiliation as "Disgruntled Conservative". Yes, there are too many Darkbeers run amok but they do not make me want to completely disown the party. What I find offensive is how easily others on here put me in the same category as Darkbeer simply because I choose to label myself a conservative. I don't do it to those who lean liberal so it does bother me...but so be it.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder You know, I'd rate beau ahead of Darkbeer on the credibility scale even because at least that guy came by his opinions honestly, ignorant and wrong headed though they were. Darkbeer takes it to entirely different level of dishonesty and likely gets his cheap little thrills doing it, seeing as how people from all corners of the spectrum wish he'd stop polluting WE.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Since he threw his hat into the Presidential ring everyday has pretty much been a media blitz." Mostly because the Republicans won't shut up.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Pass...why not just ignore his posts? I mean, seriously....that is the only real answer. I rarely read his posts. There are times when I go back and choose to based on whatever firestorm kicked up after he posted but by and large I just disregard him as I do a number of posters.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Well, I had been a little bit. However, I've fallen victim to being rather cranky lately due to several different personal issues and right now I have no tolerance for stupidity, ignorance, or general all around a-holeness. My temper is rather short right now. I should stay away, but it's an outlet that prevents me losing it on people in "real life" right now, if you can believe that.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt I'm right with you SPP. This whole drama about Obama trying to "indoctrinate" children pushed me over the edge. I'm completely fed up with Republicans and I've given up any hope that the two sides can work together effectively.
Originally Posted By Sara Tonin As a child in the 60's, I remember listening to the astronauts, Pbs programs and presidential adresses being played through the loud speaker system in our school...this was called education...too bad education isn't allowed in school anymore.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Those of us who can BE civil, disagree, listen to other viewpoints and move on are standing in the wings waiting to move the mouths to the sidelines.<< My opinion - you've lost that war. And it's courtesy of the leadership of your party, who have made the strategic decision to oppose everything that has the name Obama attached to it and to sign on to any wack-job theory that goes against him, regardless of what it is. In so doing, they gamble the well-being of their country so they can regain the majority in 2010. I've given up pretending to be civil (as you may have noticed). What good will it do? You can't be bipartisan when your opponent is insane. I'm pretty sure we're headed to the point where people like you, WahooSkipper, are going to realize that your party, as a whole, no longer stands for the same things or holds the same beliefs you do. That their entire existence is based on mass manipulation rather than Conservative values or a love of their country. I hope there will be a moderate Conservative party to replace the GOP for people like yourself. I fear that time is going to come in the middle of a terrible economic crisis, much worse than anything we've seen so far, and when that happens, it might be too late to solve the problems sensibly. The Base is too worked up and too irrational to deal with any crisis constructively, and the GOP just keeps fanning the flames. This thing of vocally, publicly turning their backs on the duly elected government is one step away from attempting a violent revolution. Why show up to a town hall meeting with a gun unless you intend to intimidate someone? I hope it doesn't come to that, and it certainly doesn't need to. But I still think you should be prepared to choose whose side you'll be on when the shooting starts. Obama's or Glenn Beck's. I believe DB has already chosen, which explains my attitude toward him. I refuse to feign respect to traitors.
