Originally Posted By tashajilek "It's been very perplexing to me why Disney hasn't built another hotel in Anaheim. With the rates they charge and the high occupancy rates it would seem a no-brainer to have a long range plan to add more rooms to DLR." You would think with the Carsland expansion they would have added a new hotel.
Originally Posted By tonyanton It would be great to see a large, more -in-theme resort built adjacent to the current Paradise Pier Hotel. Get the new one up and running and then demo the old highrise.
Originally Posted By tashajilek If they build another nice resort they should demote the Paradise Pier down to a moderate. I cant imagine paying at least 250 a night at PP.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I just paid $209 for one weekend night at the crappy Holiday Inn Express in Monterey using Hotwire. It just goes to show you how room rates are determined by demand, not always by value.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I stayed at the PPH once. I thought the rooms were much nicer than the pre remodel rooms where at the DLH. But with the location, I would most likely never stay here again. Love the breakfast at the PCH Grill though. Yummy. Until the bill comes. Then I feel like crying my eyes out.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "Love the breakfast at the PCH Grill though. Yummy. Until the bill comes. Then I feel like crying my eyes out." Hahaha, i have felt like that before.
Originally Posted By Disney Joy I would love a Value Resort like WDW. It would be nice if the motel/hotel by the LAND would keep their places nicer. Too bad there isn't a standard they must all meet......not just outside but inside. Like you must paint rooms,every so often and change carpets so often, update the water supply. I know I am dreaming but I can dream. I LOVE WDW rooms.....so many choices & rates and ALL the ones I have stayed in were at least up to par.AND I have stayed at quite a few.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Add me to the list of folks who think WDW management might have finally hit a Vegas-type wall with the number of hotel rooms they have. And the rooms they have been adding in WDW for the last five years are either cheesy Value places with plastic crap plastered on the sides of stucco box buildings (Art of Animation, I'm looking at YOU!) or equally cheesy but more expensive DVC condo shoeboxes sold at huge prices to Disney junkies from Ohio who can't think of vacationing anywhere except "Disney". God forbid their poor kids actually see the rest of the world beyond theme parks and dinner shows, but I digress... It seems WDW is finally hitting the wall. They haven't added anything truly new worth seeing in years, they've got nothing on the horizon except a Mermaid D Ticket and double-Dumbos, and they wonder why Universal keeps getting better buzz than they do. We don't know how lucky we are here in SoCal with Cars Land and DCA 2.0 and a small resort with just three hotels. They've gone way out on that limb there in Orlando, and almost too late they are noticing the limb is cracking and snapping under them. Whatsamatter Orlando suits, you can't fire up another 1,000 DVC units to fix it?
Originally Posted By ralphjr I'm hoping that the reason why Disney is being cautious about adding rooms in Anaheim is that it has learned its lesson in Florida. The "cash cow" of tens of thousands of hotel rooms quickly become an albatross in an economic downturn. (Or a long period of not investing in things to keep people coming.) It's obvious that the two resorts have different priorities; while the DLR has been working to fill the parks (especially DCA), WDW has been solely focused on filling hotel rooms. That has been a great thing for DLR guests, because they're being lured by exciting new attractions. WDW has primarily concerned itself with hotel discounts & free dining promotions. While I can see kids jumping up and down for a chance to see new rides and attractions, I hardly think they'll excitedly tell mom and dad they want to go to the place that will save them 25% on a hotel stay with free meals. So while it would be nice to see more Disney hotel rooms in Anaheim, I'm hoping they'll be somewhat cautious about adding them to avoid the situation that's happening in Orlando. Going forward, I'm also hopeful that the management team in Orlando will realize that exciting new attractions can also attract new business (at higher room rates) instead of just trotting out more discounts & freebies. While MK's new Fantasyland is a step in the right direction (that old Toontown Fair was an embarrassment) I think they'll need more than that to reverse course in Orlando. Hopefully the huge rewards they're reaping in Anaheim by building new attractions will convince them that investing in the theme parks will be the better long term strategy.
Originally Posted By Manfried I agree, they should add a hotel in Anaheim, and stop building them in Florida.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "We don't know how lucky we are here in SoCal with Cars Land and DCA 2.0 and a small resort with just three hotels. " I have never thought of it that way. I would rather have Carsland and never have another hotel built.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Me too. I also sometimes get the feeling that too many top execs in the Parks division don't like to admit they run, you know, amusement parks. You can call it a "theme park" or call it a "resort" or call it a "doggy day spa" for all I care. But the reality is that the core product here is amusement parks. They are the fanciest and nicest amusement parks around, but that's what they are. And people go to amusement parks to go on rides, eat corn dogs and churros, and maybe watch a parade or the fireworks. But the execs seem like they don't like to admit that their core product is really some basic, simple entertainment aimed at the working and middle class. They pretend they "make dreams come true" or whatever marketing drivel is the latest to be belched out. It's an amusement park. You need to keep adding new rides to the park or it gets stale and dumb. You need to care about amusment parks and the rides in them to succeed in this business. You aren't running an upscale boutique or a five star hotel (Disney gets really shaky trying to just do four star service, let alone five star). You are running amusement parks, and without them all your trendy little side businesses of timeshares and property development dreams fall apart quickly. I don't think a lot of the execs in Disney's Parks division really enjoy or respect the fact they are in charge of amusement parks. Just my hunch.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Aren't you oversimplifying things just a bit TP? Reducing Disney's Parks and Resorts division to a group of managers overseeing a collection of fancy amusement parks is grossly inaccurate. Besides the parks they are managing dozens of hotels, innumerable restaurants, transportation systems, recreational facilities, communications networks, convention/meeting venues and a handful of highly ranked cruise ships and so forth and so on.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Aren't you oversimplifying things just a bit TP?>> The physical business layering of what is involved in order to make 1313 Harbor Blvd a success expands way beyond the core of "amusement park". A single germ of a single idea has such a monumental lifecycle in order to to even be slightly precieved by the public as Disney. Mind-Boggling. Need more shrooms - Heading to Alice.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Reducing Disney's Parks and Resorts division to a group of managers overseeing a collection of fancy amusement parks is grossly inaccurate<< But at the end of the day, the value proposition is the theme parks. That's why people go to WDW, for the theme parks. Take those away and there's no point in going there.
Originally Posted By Manfried I don't know that Disneyland is aimed at working and middle class any more. It is getting very expensive.
Originally Posted By cheesybaby <<But at the end of the day, the value proposition is the theme parks. That's why people go to WDW, for the theme parks. Take those away and there's no point in going there.>> The cruise line, Aulani, Adventures by Disney - these are all WDW deluxe resorts without WDW. All the high-class stuff execs believe "Disney" is about without the meat and potatoes of a theme park. This is their dream - all the margins of a WDW deluxe resort without the huge overhead and headaches of running an amusement park. If these projects all fail, then you are correct and execs will "get it" when Disney falls on its face without rides. But if these succeed (and the cruise line is pretty dang successful), then the execs' outlook is proved correct.
