Originally Posted By jonvn Since the characters were there on opening day, then it's kind of hard for them to have decided to add them after February. They may have decided to add MORE then, but they were there on day one.
Originally Posted By ifzorro Disney watcher. If i remember correclty the Disney characters were not going to be introduced into DCA except for a few in Hollywood backlot. They also had the same idea of not introducing the charcters in Tokyo Disney sea since the themeing for both parks would not fit to well with fantasyland characters. The reason they were introduced in Tokyo disney sea was becuase of the oriental land companies request since the charcters are a big draw in Japan. The reason they were introduce her in DCA was to help the balance of limited kid atractions. Concerning the widening of the GRR path, it was done they also added the small sitting area. As for the article i don't feel either story from Pressler or Braverman controdict eachother yet both do mention the problems and also show that they are adjusting things to corrected.
Originally Posted By tmonee11 <<<She said that Downtown Disney and the Hotels got higher marks than DCA, but Pressler came around and said that the Park was more widely known than DTD and the Hotels.>>> Those are two different things. Pressler is saying that DCA was more widely known, more people knew it existed then the other additions. The author is saying that Downtown Disney and the Grand Californian got higher marks, meaning higher approval ratings by actual visitors. As for the article and DCA in general.... is what makes me happy is that DCA WAS NOT a smashing success out the gate, and DISNEY IS tweaking it, by adding and changing entertainment, adding a lagoon show and parade, adding the kids area, and adding a major e-ticket. They are listening, and they are improving things. New attractions and new entertainment mean a better theme park. Lets give them credit for tweaking and adding.
Originally Posted By tangaroa >Those are two different things. But they aren't independent of each other. The way it's worded in the article suggests that fewer people went to DTD and the hotels (which I don't think is true) but liked it more than the park. That's not the message they should be sending. >As for the article and DCA in >general.... is what makes me happy is >that DCA WAS NOT a smashing success out >the gate, and DISNEY IS tweaking it, by >adding and changing entertainment... That's a good thing. But entertainment doesn't make a park. >...adding a lagoon show and parade... The lagoon show is already closed, and don't forget that Eureka is on hiatus. >...adding the kids area... Yeah. >...and adding a major e-ticket. That isn't going to happen for another 2 and a half years. >Lets give them credit for tweaking and >adding. Maybe they deserve the credit for the tweaking. But what happens if they tweak themselves an entirely different theme park? Should they be absolved of any blame in building the park as they did in the beginning?
Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA <Should they be absolved of any blame in building the park as they did in the beginning?> How long can you possibly hold it against them -- Another year? 10 years? Indefinitely?
Originally Posted By lookcloser15 "We knew this park had a different energy to it ... a little hipper," Braverman said. "We knew it would take people a while to feel that and understand it." Uhhhhh, are people now "feeling and understanding" it? I wonder what makes him think that the park has turned a corner, based on the seemingly flimsy assumption that people just needed to "get" it.
Originally Posted By GCOND4 >>That's a good thing. But entertainment doesn't make a park<< Yes but they can't just add an attraction in a very short period of time. To make an amazing E ticket takes some time, entertainment is easier to add and take away as needed.
Originally Posted By ArchtMig >>Should they be absolved of any blame in building the park as they did in the beginning?<< >>>How long can you possibly hold it against them -- Another year? 10 years? Indefinitely? <<< As long as I'm still seeing the Hilton Hotel, the Convention Center, and the exposed power lines when I'm inside the park. As long as I'm looking at ugly parking lots and fast food restaurants when I'm on the "Grand Staircase" leading into the Hyperion Theater. When they fix these blunders (and I don't see them doing that anytime soon), then I'll absolve them. Until then, I will always hold their feet to the fire, no matter how many WDW clones they bring to this park.
Originally Posted By jonvn Come on, Mig. It's not THAT bad. So, ok, you can see the power lines in a couple of spots, and some sight lines aren't as good as they could have been. I think it'd be better to give it more of a chance. The main thing that people ought to be happy about is that it got built AT ALL. This was not something they OWED us, and the big hump was just getting it off the ground, as far as I'm concerned. Now that it's there, it can be fiddled with and made to run right. The staircases at the Hyperion are one of the things that should eventually get fixed. They should have escalators. And there are other issues, too. I know you're a pretty reasonable person, and that you're a very dedicated fan of Disney things. I think you know I am too. Perhaps a lot of the feelings towards this park come from disappointment in its execution. I can understand that. But there were a lot of factors that went into the execution, and we have what we have. It's not that it's unenjoyable, it just has some problems that need to be addressed. I think they are addressing them, but it will probably take some time, as it has for all their parks. They've each had their own set of issues to overcome.
Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA For me -- I'm no more or less outraged at seeing the Hilton, Convention Center, and exposed power lines from Disney's California Adventure than I am... - seeing the Swan and Dolphin hotel poking out from the horizon of World Showcase. - noticing the stupid placement of Disney-MGM Studios -- sandwiched in between two major Disney roadways. All the land, and all the room, and they stuck it there? - the haphazard placement of attractions at the Magic Kingdom. - The Evelyn Wood version of 'Pirates of the Caribbean' that was built in 1973 at WDW. - the day they replaced 'Mr. Toad's Wild Ride' with 'Winnie the Pooh' - Cancelling 'The Golden Horseshoe' show and giving Wally Boag his walking papers. My point here? There's always stuff to crab about. I'm certainly not suggesting that you stop being outraged if that's how you feel. Just suggesting that you take a closer look at history, and observe that it really isn't that different. Bigger, yes.
Originally Posted By driftwood714 Eureka will be returning for the summer, along with Fantasmic, beginning June 14th daily until Aug 25th.. Then Fantasmic goes to weekends and Eureka goes back into hibernation. Sorry, I know a few of you would love to be right about Eureka disappearing because of cuts, but it's just playing seasonally.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Cancelling 'The Golden Horseshoe' show and giving Wally Boag his walking papers." Actually, that was a pretty bad thing. Worst one on your list. So is the swan and dolphin dumbness. I mean, they had 44,000 acres. Did they HAVE to put the hotels where they did? I had a friend who just stayed at one of them, though, and he really really liked it. They're in a great spot to stay at, but they didn't follow through with thinking about it. They are also a pair of really creepy looking buildings, too. But yes, there is always something wrong in everything. If you can't really do much about it, might as well try to look to the best. I try to do that, but I can also understand that some folks just may not like DCA. I think it's really their loss, but not much I'm gonna do about that, either.
Originally Posted By woody The Swan and Dolphin hotel are actually quite beautiful when compared to the power poles, Convention Center, and Hilton on Katella.
Originally Posted By jonvn Matter of taste, I guess, but I think they are probably the ugliest buildings I have ever seen. Hideous. The convention center and Hilton are much nicer in comparison.
Originally Posted By Jim in Pasadena CA So if the Convention Center and Hilton were more "beautiful", the visual intrusion into DCA would be acceptable? I whole-heartedly disagree. Have you seen the intrusion of the Swan and Dolphin into World Showcase? It's brutal...
Originally Posted By Santa Monica Alright! Let's slap a huge Swan on the Hilton and a huge Dolphin on the Convention Center. Problem fixed.
Originally Posted By woody >> Have you seen the intrusion of the Swan and Dolphin into World Showcase? It's brutal...<< No I haven't because I didn't notice them. You can see them on only one section of the park, sort of like seeing the Acapocco Restaurant sign from the monorail platform in Disneyland. For DCA, large portions of the park gets treated to the outside views which isn't pretty to begin with.
Originally Posted By JeffG You must be kidding, Woody. The Swan and Dolphin are >much< more readily visible from Epcot than the Hilton or Convention Center are from DCA. They loom in the background of pretty much any view across the lagoon from the Future World side. -Jeff
Originally Posted By jonvn How on earth could you NOT notice them? They totally overpower half the park.
