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Originally Posted By hopemax Don't take it so personal, jon. All I meant was the same thing you said in #217 >These arguments simply don't hold water. If you can say that about people's arguments, why can't I say another poster's argument doesn't either. And if it's the second part that you think is flaming, I mearly meant that you might have better luck getting people to be open to your point of view, by appearing open to their point of view. It was meant as a suggestion, not a flame. I can see how well that went over though. Toodles
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Originally Posted By tangaroa "I agree that "what Walt wants" is a weak argument for or against DCA. But Walt left a legacy of creativity and quality products, something that DCA sorely lacks. They could have been more creative with Paradise Pier. PP should have a more fanciful and elaborate design. Until then, I consider PP a cheap addition." I couldn't agree more.
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Originally Posted By DL-2000 In response to earlier posts about King Triton's Carousel: Yeah, I think Carousels are carny. I also think execution has a lot to do with whether a "carny" ride succeeds or fails. King Triton's Carousel fails. King Arthur's succeeds. First of all, just think of the locations. King Arthur's is located right in the center of Fantasyland, beautifully framed by the castle gates as you walk in. It serves as a kind of hub for the land. On the other hand, King Triton's is sort of wedged in the corner by California Screamin'. The view is nothing special, especially since half of it is blocked by a boring wall with a big picture of Triton. I don't think "carny" is necessarily bad, but the implementation of the ride system really makes a difference.
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Originally Posted By WrongWay Wow, 248+ posts in less than a week? Anyway, I don't care what Walt liked or what Walt put into Disneyland. All I know is what I like about Disney parks. Dsiney parks take me to far off places, into Fantasylands, and shows me things I can't find anywhere else. CA Adventure is set in the hear and now, and its purpose is more to distract from other CA attractions than to transport you into a story. A quick thing I noticed was this. When DL was built in the 50s, it was about 80 years after "The Old West"(1870s-1980s). Main Street was only 40-50 years in the past at that point. Thus, if the Pier is supposed top be a conglomeration of the piers of the 20s-60s, then it is right in that age range (40-80 years in the past). The difference is that in 1950, there were few places to go see Indian Villages, or ride on a mule train, or ride on a steam train. There are plenty of places to go ride wooden coasters, carousels, swings, or Ferris Wheels. Sure, all the attractions in the pier have that "Dsiney" touch, but that doen't transport you to a far off time, place or into a fairy tale. So, what makes King Triton's different from King Arthor's? The castle. What makes the Rocket Jets different than Golden Zephyr? Tomorrowland. What makes Dumbo different than the Stinger? The story.
Originally Posted By fabdisbabe Yes, that's true too, of course. The thing is that there are a lot of these little bits of information that are floating around that belie a lot of what is said that would make one think that Walt Disney put in only rides like POTC. It's just not true, never was true. >> I'm of the opinion that every new ride doesn't have to be an ETicket. There are enjoyable A-D ticket rides as well, a balance. Fab
Originally Posted By woody >> In the end, though, I think most of these things will be recognized and eventually fixed. If they recognize how cheap and carny it looks, they will be able to fix it. It deserves a more stately and grand design. At least, add more theming in the queue lines and along the walkways. Also, dump Mulholland Madness.
Originally Posted By jonvn I think they should enclose MM. I don't really know what they recognize. But I think they would probably recognize what they are being told through their surveys.
Originally Posted By DisneyAce In the vast waste land of this war torn post how many have lost hope and which ones, if any, can say they claim victory on their ground? I can't believe this is already past 250 post. And I still favor DCA from a middle of the road perspective.
Originally Posted By MackAttack And DisneyAce, that is the best place to be in with regards to this discussion. The extreme DCA bashers are too far off the planet for anyone to take them seriously and the pristine DCA lovers are floating on cloud 9 so much that they haven't seen the ground for months. If we were to discuss the merits of every attraction and themed land in Disneyland, I'm sure we could easily find the faults right along with the positive areas of the park. Disneyland, not unlike DCA, has it's faults and disappointments too. Fab's last point is correct that there needs to be a good mixture of A-D type rides along with E-Ticket rides. And DCA has a good mixture of those types of rides mixed in with some E-Ticket rides allowing most everyone to enjoy a variety of experiences and not just a one type fits all mentality. Since Disney hasn't had the ticket books for nearly 20 years now, the idea of which ride being an E-ticket is all in the eye of the beholder. To me, DCA's E-tickets are plain to see, they include Soarin, Screamin and GRR. Since Country Bear Playhouse was considered an E-ticket at one time, that could put Bugs and possibly Muppets in the E-Ticket catergory as well. Not bad for a new park with 24 attractions.
Originally Posted By DisneyAfternooner Can we just ask Walt Disney's daughters what he thought of carny rides? Say "Did your father like carnivals? Would he ever make a cleaner version? I like to scrutinize everything your father does."
Originally Posted By OTownDis i just want to know one thing SIMPLE and INNOCENT...R the BEE BUTTS on Orange Stinger again??
Originally Posted By DL-2000 ::What makes the Rocket Jets different than Golden Zephyr?:: The Astro Orbiter is also quite a bit more thrilling than the Zephyr. If you stay down low you really get some G's once the ride starts moving.
Originally Posted By disneywatcher >> DL-2000: King Triton's is sort of wedged in the corner by California Screamin'. << It doesn't help that the carousel is surrounded by a bland, dreary gray concrete reflecting pool or that the ride is topped off with a rather flimsy looking open framework (outlined with light bulbs) and a blue/yellow canopy. The figures on the carousel are good, but, unfortunately, inspired designwork on Triton's periperhy seemed to be beyond the grasp of DCA's planners.
Originally Posted By cstephens Goes to show differences in opinion - I absolutely love King Triton's Carrousel, but King Arthur's Carrousel doesn't do all that much for me. In total, I've ridden King Triton's more times since DCA has opened than I ever have ridden King Arthur's. /cs
