Originally Posted By DisneyAce Don't worry Woody there is plenty of support. Like Fab said: This is only your first step. I can't wait to hear your post when you sate 'I am Woody and I like DCA'. Hope it's not to far off. Cool info Fab. Do you know when and where the first dark ride was up? It would make for a cool little history lesson. Thanks, ACE.
Originally Posted By woody >>Like Fab said: This is only your first step. I can't wait to hear your post when you sate 'I am Woody and I like DCA'. Hope it's not to far off. 10 years according to Disney. I hope I like will like it sooner.
Originally Posted By DisneyAce >>Like Fab said: This is only your first step. I can't wait to hear your post when you sate 'I am Woody and I like DCA'. Hope it's not to far off. 10 years according to Disney. I hope I like will like it sooner Even though we don't see eye to eye on the new park, great comeback remark Woody, I got a laugh from that one!
Originally Posted By fabdisbabe Cool info Fab. Do you know when and where the first dark ride was up? It would make for a cool little history lesson.>> Hm, I know someone who does.... <a href="http://www.laffinthedark.com/main.htm" target="_blank">http://www.laffinthedark.com/m ain.htm</a> <a href="http://www.ot.com/skew/ten/" target="_blank">http://www.ot.com/skew/ten/</a> <a href="http://www.dafe.org/index1.htm" target="_blank">http://www.dafe.org/index1.htm</a> Some of the pictures are gross, like Christopher Lee films, you know? Just thought I'd give you a heads-up. Defunct ones: <a href="http://www.defunctparks.com/rides/darkrides.htm" target="_blank">http://www.defunctparks.com/ri des/darkrides.htm</a> I think it's the Old Mill at Kennywood. I'd have to ask Robb or someone. Fab
Originally Posted By KanakiKid What I find very interesting is the range of thoughtful (and not so thoughful) analysis regarding the rides found in PP. It shows the high degree of attachment to Disney theme parks. I would love to see the transcrips of the various planning meetings that went in on the design and marketing of DCA and especially PP. I'll bet the Imagineers and Disney management "suits" didn't have nearly as detailed discussions as we're having right now. Question: Is it within the LP.com "Community Standards" to call people who love DCA "DCA apologists"? Seems that DCA critics are routinely called "DCA bashers" just because we don't submit without question the beautiful new park that Disney has provided for US? For the most part DCA critics complain about the park and sometimes about the Disney officials that created it. Rarely do critics belittle those who like DCA on a personal basis. While on the other hand DCA fans tend to personalize their attacks toward critics, without demonstrating the strengths of DCA. Let's all "play" nicey-nicey. OK?
Originally Posted By Nautilus >>Then why was there a ferris wheel in some of his earlier plans?<< Good question. I could only guess as to the answer. I think it's interesting to note that there was no farris wheel in the plans when Walt and Herb spent a weekend brain storming ideas for the park. The very plans that ultimately sold ABC on the idea. I've also heard people mention that Walt must have liked the idea of a ferris wheel, because there was one in the model of the future city (EPCOT) above the carousel of progress. But looking back at pictures of the EPCOT model, it seems to me that you wouldn't be able to tell that area was an amusement park without that double farris wheel. I dont necessarily believe that Walt thought of the farris wheel as a symbal of what he stood against. It just seems to me that at some point he felt that it was a good idea not to have one. Perhaps it was all those amusement park owners telling him that he HAD to have one that made him feel a little rebellious. I just dont know. Again....Good question.
Originally Posted By Nautilus <<10 years according to Disney. I hope I like will like it sooner.>> Yes, like DisneyAce said, no matter what side your on...Thats just plain funny.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh "In my previous posts (not only here), I said DCA is a below average Disney Park. My position hasn't changed." Half of the Disney parks are below average Disney parks.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh "Is it within the LP.com "Community Standards" to call people who love DCA "DCA apologists"? Seems that DCA critics are routinely called "DCA bashers" just because we don't submit without question the beautiful new park that Disney has provided for US?" As I've said many times, many of the people supporting DCA here are also critical of the park. We recognize that it's not a perfect park - it's got flaws. We just don't like seeing it get criticized for things that aren't true. Thankfully woody has come to realize that Disneyland has more "cheap, off-the-shelf, carnival rides" than DCA does.
Originally Posted By KanakiKid >>Then why was there a ferris wheel in some of his earlier plans?<< Couldn't it be because Walt wanted to sell his new theme park concept to a bunch of narrow minded investors and bankers whos only reference to amusement parks that included "carny" rides. Banker: "Very interesting idea, Mr. Disney, but where's the ferris wheel. Everyone know that amusement parks have ferris wheels." Walt: " Shucks if all it takes for you to give me that loan so I can break ground it 1954 is a ferris wheel, then by golly I'll add a ferris wheel. If I add TWO will you double the amount?" Later back in Burbank Walt dictates a memo to DL design team: "Once we reach our goal for funding Disneyland, delete all plans for cheap carny rides and begin planning on the mountain themed rollercoaster and the spook house."
Originally Posted By woody Thankfully DouglasDubh has come to realize that Disneyland is a below average Disney Park.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh KanakiKid, see my response to your theory on the "Games of the Boardwalk" thread.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Walt wanted his park to be among that type (Without the ever so prominent farris wheel). >> Then why was there a ferris wheel in some of his earlier plans? Fab>> I think that Walt simply had an epiphany! So here's my question, does that mean that in truth, Fantasyland is a better representation of a Seaside amusement park than PP? I mean look at it, it has a roller coaster, a couple of spinners, a vintage carousel, a band organ, six dark rides, one walk through, a choo choo train and an outdoor boat ride complete with whale and lighthouse? Somehow these elements complete the picture of a Seaside amusement park very well. Of course Fantasyland doesn't have the cheap midway games. But then Walt Disney always said how dirty and unsafe that environment was to him. Oh and as for the Ferris Wheel or similar device, well I think that they simply don't have the ridership capacity that Walt Disney determined would be necessary to make his little park financially viable. After all, his rides were to become fabulous vignets that would immerse guests into the world of his world famous animated classics.
Originally Posted By JeffG >> "For the most part DCA critics complain about the park and sometimes about the Disney officials that created it. Rarely do critics belittle those who like DCA on a personal basis. While on the other hand DCA fans tend to personalize their attacks toward critics, without demonstrating the strengths of DCA." << To be honest, my own perception is pretty much the opposite of that. I really feel like I've seen more personal comments from those that dislike the park than from those that like it. Most noticibly, I've seen a lot of comments in this thread that seem to be suggesting that those that enjoy the park have low standards or somehow are out of touch with the legacy of Walt Disney. Maybe this is all a matter of perspective, though. Perhaps we are all more apt to take comments personally when they are attacking our own viewpoints. The truth may be that both sides can stand to be a bit more tolerant of differing opinions. -Jeff
Originally Posted By Nautilus >>"Once we reach our goal for funding Disneyland, delete all plans for cheap carny rides and begin planning on the mountain themed rollercoaster and the spook house."<< LMAO...Funny Stuff, KanakiKid.
Originally Posted By Nautilus >>Maybe this is all a matter of perspective, though. Perhaps we are all more apt to take comments personally when they are attacking our own viewpoints. << Thats exactly it....everyone states their opinions as fact, and those with differing opinions take it personally. Thats just the way it is...It's a part of the human condition. We have all heard movie critics say how our favorite movies were just plain bad...and we resent it. The idea of enjoying something that has been called bad is to much for our collective ego to handle. But it happins everyday, in everyway. There are lots of people who think that the things that you love just arent worth loving....and they are going to state it as a fact, and if you pay attention you may catch yourself doing the same thing....And if you keep that in mind, you may be able to keep your cool. Most wars throughout history have been caused by people saying that: Your religion is bad, and my religion is good (I'm paraphrasing). Maybe they are right, maybe not. Maybe we all would be better off if we try to understand that everyone feels that way about something. Even something as trivial as a theme park.
Originally Posted By americaonparade I read Jim's article and I simply say this: If it barks like a dog, its a dog. DCA is truly a very mediocre park. Trying to justify that PP has detail by the fact that they disguise a steel coaster with wood is comical. Why not simply build a wooden coaster? Ghostrider at Knotts is about 50 times greater then Screamin'. DCA has so many problems, with layout, with ride content, with ride type, with the lack of a berm, etc, etc, that attempting to forcibly justify it as a quality park is silly. ANd the ultimate judge, the people, have spoken by not coming, WELL before Sept 11. DCA can barely break 10,000 persons, and from these, how many are canibilising Disneyland? DCA is the worst, least imaginative park Disney has ever built....perhaps the worst theme park ever created.
Originally Posted By JohnS2 I think that with all the energy and hours and creativity put out by all the posters on the thread, we could have built our own theme park in the same time span! Please, Jim Hill - write another column so we can move on...
