Originally Posted By dresswhites I keep looking at the pictures and I have to say I think Winnie the Pooh will make a nice addition to Critter Country. Will it be an e-ticket? no. Will it be an enjoyable way to spend 3 minutes yes.
Originally Posted By Davko58 "Now in my book, TDS could be compared with what Walt wanted to achieve for DL if he only lived long enough and had the money to do so." I have no idea what Walt would have thought of TDS (and neither does anyone else) but it bears no resemblance to the park that he built. While stunningly beautiful and filled with incredibly elaborate movie style sets, there isn't much there there. Only a handful of attractions, most of which are standard amusement rides. The general atmosphere doesn't strike me as one of carefree fun; some of those attractions are dark and bleak. There is no attempt to recreate the history of any real time or place, just generic really pretty places. There is no attempt to showcase future technologies or ways of living, no harkening back to the romantic past of the inhabitants of the country in which it resides. Some more attractions along the lines of Journey might convince me otherwise, but while amazing looking and being worth a visit if you happen to speak Japanese, it strikes me as a somewhat soulless shell of a park. Well, maybe I'm wrong. That multimillion dollar ship with nothing in it could be compared to the Chicken of the Sea pirate ship. Do they sell tuna sandwiches in that thing?
Originally Posted By fabdisbabe I don't think anything you said was remotely bad, but I'm sure Davko got plenty of complaints from the exact people he described. You DO rock, Davko58. Michelle
Originally Posted By Westsider I walked through the Pooh attraction within the last 48 hours (exact time undetermined to protect the guilty!). The construction guys left the side doors open and a few of us from Canoes and Mansion wandered in for a few minutes. It has a LOT of plywood flats painted in very vibrant colors. The "heffalumps and woozles" area looks the tackiest, as it's almost entirely done with painted plywood cutouts. A few of the other scenes have some 3-D Pooh/Tigger/Eeyore characters placed about the plywood, but there's still lots of plywood in those other scenes too. This isn't anything like the Tokyo version with all the 3-D sets with tree's and actual scenery. I haven't been on the Tokyo one, I've only seen it online in video. But our Pooh ride looks nothing like the Tokyo version. Think Superstar Limo for our Pooh, except with smaller manequins of Pooh characters instead of life-size B List celebrities along the track. The station area looks twice as nice as the interior show scenes. If you are expecting the 3-D and realistic look of the station to be carried into the show building, don't get your hopes up. The interior looks like it was built by some guys who bought a giant stack of plywood sheets from Home Depot and then started painting Winnie The Pooh scenes on to them. We were all kind of bummed when we saw it, because most of us will probably be Hosts and Hostesses there in the Spring.
Originally Posted By terwyn "I have no idea what Walt would have thought of TDS (and neither does anyone else) but it bears no resemblance to the park that he built." True nobody really knows what Walt would think of TDS, however, based on his well known passion for high quality and good storytelling, TDS is head and shoulders above DCA, DSP and more than likely HKDL and Shanghai Disney Sea(?). The newest Disney parks, not funded by others, are a shadow of high standards in many folks books. You complain about the junky attractions that were originally in DL and by extension you forgive and explain away the current junkiness in DLR. That's pretty inconsistant when you account for the cutting edge attractions in DL's history, until the last five or so years after Indy. Hardly the standards of "you know who." By ragging on those of us who'd like to see reasonably better attractions than what appears TDA's desire to provide their guests shows complacentcy that reinforces TDA's policy of raising prices every year , cutting back on maintenance until just before structures become a hazzard, and taking the schlocky route in adding attractions, if they do it at all. Of course Disney is a business, but Disney built it's prior business success on innovation and high standards. Not adding compelling shows and attractions seems to be a pretty good way NOT to increase attendance and sales as Disney has admitted that attendance is down since just after the debut of Indy. So for many Pooh could go anywhere including Tommorrowland, because they like him or they never question what Disney does.
Originally Posted By Davko58 "You complain about the junky attractions that were originally in DL" What? I LOVED the original junky attractions. "and by extension you forgive and explain away the current junkiness in DLR." There is nothing in Disneyland today remotely as junky as what was in the park when Walt was alive. "That's pretty inconsistant when you account for the cutting edge attractions in DL's history, until the last five or so years after Indy. Hardly the standards of "you know who." *You know who* had very few standards. Other than safety, cleanliness, and family friendliness he put into the park what he liked, that's it. What he liked cannot be categorized since it was all over the map; everything from The Submarines and POTC to Fun Fotos and the Rocket Jets. That's what was charming about the place; it wasn't a homogenized corporate type of park, it was one man's dream. And sometimes his dreams verged on nightmares. My biggest complaint about the park isn't what's happening now, it's what they have slowly been doing to the place for the last 20 years. The creeping cartoonism (a la Fantasmuck) and focus on kiddie only attractions is what bothers me. Now someone will ask--then why don't you hate Pooh? Because the dye is cast, that's the way the park has been going for decades. And since Pooh appears to be of at least equal if not higher quality than the classic Fantasyland dark rides (which I loved back in the day and still love), I'm sure I will enjoy it. Enjoying a theme park remains for me a pretty good reason to go visit and spend my money.
Originally Posted By Pullman Ah, the air of debate... nothin like it. As one who saw the cheap first hand way back when, we've come some what of a ways since then. But, and it's a big one, the failure of attractions has been and will continue to be an issue for us as "guests". Do we need to list them? Probably not. What do we want? We want Disney to give us those "kick in the butt" attractions we know they can and have produced. Look at things in their day. The "Tiki Room" was a giant leap forward. The same for "Pirates". Star Tours? You bet. "Indiana Jones"? Absolutely! "Rocket Rods"? Not really. "Super Star Limo"? Not on this planet... And it looks and sounds like "Pooh" will be another attraction in this line of disappointments. We don't want every new attraction to be an E-ticket. But would it hurt if it wasn't a retread from some other place? If I wanted Magic Mountain, that's where I would go! I always go back to Clara Peller when it comes to this. "Where's the beef?"
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Now someone will ask--then why don't you hate Pooh? Because the dye is cast, that's the way the park has been going for decades. And since Pooh appears to be of at least equal if not higher quality than the classic Fantasyland dark rides (which I loved back in the day and still love), I'm sure I will enjoy it." Very well said.
Originally Posted By Santa Monica <<Ah, the air of debate... nothin like it.>> I disagree. I think putting a pot over my head and hitting it repeatedly with a wooden spoon sounds about the same as all this endless debating.
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Originally Posted By fabdisbabe Sounds like capitulation under to me. If TDA debuted "Disney's Cardboard Box" would you go, Davko?>> Sounds like you're YET AGAIN attacking those who don't share your opinion, Terwyn. Michelle
Originally Posted By Yookeroo Oh no! Don't capitulate Davko! If you go and enjoy the pooh ride, you'll be giving in to evil! The war needs you. Stay good, Davko, stay good! Guys, don't ever change. The 'net wouldn't be the same without the D-Quackers.
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