Originally Posted By ChurroMonster SingleParkPassholder: "She can go back and ask God what went wrong." O'Donnell: God what happened? I did just what you wanted. God: You dabbled in witchcraft. O'Donnell: Seriously? I mean really? At least I wasn't all lesbian and stuff. God: You fooled around on a satanic altar. O'Donnell: Catholics do that every day! Besides at least I'm a real American in America legally! God: I love you but you are the stupidest of all my children. O'Donnell: Oh yeah? Well at least I'm not a Muslim who crashes planes into buildings. God: Please call me Allah and get a pilot license. Just kidding. But please stop talking to me. O'Donnell: I'm just doing your will! God: <silence>
Originally Posted By mawnck >>My family and I knelled in the middle of our family room before we went to bed and asked God to guide all the government officials democrat and Republican to whats right and build back up this great country.<< 57 And the lord spoketh unto him, saying, 58 "Too bad suckers. Thou art on thine own now." Book of Philodendron, Chapter 666
Originally Posted By mawnck Her concession speech: "We have won!" In keeping with this, she lists her demands. <a href="http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/odonnell-beginning-concession-speech-chris-coons-delaware-senate-loss-12039112" target="_blank">http://abcnews.go.com/Politics...12039112</a>
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I think most people are missing the bigger picture here. I tend to agree with her that it doesn't matter that much that she lost. (Though, I guess she is still unemployed.) I think both parties have to take notice of the impact the Tea Party had...both good and bad. The people (in this case Independents and some Conservatives) are fed up with the establishment politicians. In this case it was a conservative uprising but it could just as easily be a liberal uprising.
Originally Posted By Mr X A "liberal uprising" would be machine-gunned down via 2nd amendment remedies, and that right quick. This was no "uprising", in any case. It was a carefully financed Republican scheme to distance the base from Bush, and Republicanism in general (easier to be angry, rather than ashamed). And it worked perfectly. Kudos Republican machine...you continue to impress!
Originally Posted By mele <<The people (in this case Independents and some Conservatives) are fed up with the establishment politicians. >> They're fed up with facts, too. The vast majority of them believe garbage that simply is NOT true.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Who is to blame for that? If Pelosi did SO MANY GREAT THINGS with her fellow Democrats how come they didn't get that message out? How come the millions of people that swept Obama into office didn't come out and vote a short 2 years later? I don't believe that much of the country is stupid. I believe the country is desparate for leadership and in the absence of leadership they will choose whatever "looks" like it. We are naive...us Americans. We aren't going to be satisfied in two years and we will tilt the other way again...which will be good for the Democrats and Obama.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Who is to blame for that?*** The ones spreading the lies and the Supreme Court for giving the liars unlimited funds from which to propagate them. That's who. And watch it get incredibly worse from here...think this year was bad, watch Palin (or worse) get the White House next time around...in grand fashion and to the cheers of the "people" (meaning a small minority happy to buy into the message machine as opposed to the mass majority that simply tunes out).
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't believe that much of the country is stupid*** I wish I shared your optimism. More people are stupid than you might think...the scary ones are the ones who *think* they're smart and informed, while being nothing of the sort in reality.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper You mean like every talking head at CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc? Isn't Obama the Great Communicator? How come he could sell the country on "Change" two years ago but he couldn't help his party sell the results? You simply blame those who would criticize them? Listen, I voted for far more Democrats than I did Republicans this cycle. But, you have to open your eyes up to see that the blame here can't just be placed on the right.
Originally Posted By mele I don't need politics to convince me that the majority of Americans are stupid. I just have to turn on the tv and see what shows are most popular. I blame the people/news organizations who are telling outright lies to people but again, as proof of their stupidity, there are people who believe what they want to believe and nothing will shake them (birthers anyone?) The crazies have too much power right now. They're angry and lashing out; the epitome of cutting their noses off to spite their faces.
Originally Posted By Mr X I'm talking more about joe q average. The talking heads ARE smart, they simply have an agenda they're pushing. As to the rest, I'll have to think about and digest your points...you make sense, but I'm tired and it's near bedtime and I don't want to get too deeply into the pros and cons of what the President has done versus the smear machine and mistakes the left wing might or might not have made either by doing too much or too or whathaveyou and comparing that to the outright lies and ridiculous teaparty stuff etc, etc... You know what I mean...I'll address your points when I have a little more energy except to say that I think you know it isn't remotely as simple as your three short paragraphs would make it out to be. g'night.
Originally Posted By mele Angels could have flown out of Obama's butt and things would have been the same. The GOP/Tea Baggers/Birthers, etc are PROUD of the resistance they put up. They purposely impeded the government for the past 2 years and even though things still got better, they believe things are worse AND are lashing out. It's insane.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper What is worse? Is it worse that the so called "stupid people" went out to vote and did so with misinformation? Or is it worse that the so called "smart people" knew the facts, trust that the Democrats are doing the right thing, and stayed home in droves instead of going out and supporting the efforts made the past two years? Seriously...who are the more "stupid" people in this argument?
Originally Posted By mele Can't they both be stupid? (I did mention that I believe the vast majority of America is stupid.)
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Or is it worse that the so called "smart people" knew the facts, trust that the Democrats are doing the right thing, and stayed home in droves instead of going out and supporting the efforts made the past two years?<< I agree with Wahoo on this. There's no crying in baseball. If people are too apathetic or lazy to vote, then the other side is going to use that to their advantage. Ideally, people wouldn't be jumping onto and off of bandwagons every two years: They'd develop a set of principles they believe in and vote for candidates who support that. But good or bad, Americans voters are a fickle bunch. Two years from now could be very different from last night -- each election or so seems to swing power back to the other side. What I like about last night is that there's no more hiding for the GOP. The tea baggers promised jobs, jobs, jobs. On that, I hope they succeed. I personally don't think they have clue #1 how to go about it, but I hope that I'm wrong and they're able to help boost job numbers. The days of simply being the party of "NO" are behind them. That was the easy part.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper The GOP could be perceived as "successful" over the next two years, if even by default. Signs are pointing to a slow but steady recovery. Realtors are starting to see those trends. Companies are slowly beginning to hire. Heck, my 401k is actually going up instead of down over the past couple of quarters. So, they could easily ride the wave and their only "strategy" might be to not get in their own way. But, knowing the political mindset I doubt they will be able to resist. If I were Obama I would be feeling relatively good about my prospects two years from now. This actually does set up well for him.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So, they could easily ride the wave and their only "strategy" might be to not get in their own way. But, knowing the political mindset I doubt they will be able to resist.<< LOL! That's true. And remember that the whole tea bagger thing is about looking fired up and mad as hell at... stuff. I don't think a calm, reserved approach is what tea partiers want, and some of these newbies are loose cannons. Plus Michele Bachmann is still around, so lunacy is a given.
