Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I hear a lot of this Romney-style defense here in Utah. It's a very interesting thing to observe. Here are these people that will tell you drinking coffee is a sin, ditto seeing an R rated movie or even saying a mild swear word. And yet, they'll defend lying, dishonesty, shady business deals, and skimping on taxes. > THIS! Couldn't have said it better.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney <To get elected, sometimes you have to do that, for a greater good.> If someone running for President were claiming to represent MY moral and religious beliefs, I would certainly hold him up to higher standards than this.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I guess morals are like an Etch-a-Sketch. You can shake 'em up and start over whenever you want.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney The good news for Mitt is that he can get at least three new campaign slogans out of this: Mitt Romney for President: because pandering to racists is not the same as being racist. Mitt Romney for President: because no one has asked to see MY birth certificate. And the ever popular; Mitt Romney for President: because I'm white.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "And yet, they'll defend lying, dishonesty, shady business deals, and skimping on taxes" It's how the Mormon cult defended the way they rammed Prop 8 through here in California. Remember elderp, who admitted to removing signs from lawns that were antyi-Prop 8? He defended it much the same way, saying whatever it took to get Prop 8 passed was okay by him. He left the board in a huff when called on it. Mormons have no conscience or moral compass whatsoever when it comes to things they want to see passed, or that they just "know better than everyone else" because well, they're self righteous Mormons. Screw them.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <Mormons have no conscience or moral compass whatsoever when it comes to things they want to see passed, or that they just "know better than everyone else" because well, they're self righteous Mormons. Screw them> Well then. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you personally knew many LDS members as friends, I think you'd learn something.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>If you personally knew many LDS members as friends<< I do, and while my friends that support Mitt are not bad people, they are stunningly blind to their own cognitive biases. They ought to be a case study in compartmentalization.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Well then. I'm sorry you feel that way. If you personally knew many LDS members as friends, I think you'd learn something.>> I have several Mormon friends I've known for decades, one of whom is the son of a well-known, long standing bishop in OC. And thankfully, none of them subscribe to the racist, sexist, and homophobic BS that many Mormons seem to swim in. Like Harry Reid, they're moderate Democrats who didn't support Prop 8, believe in the separation of church and state, and would never vote for any candidate willing to support immoral legislation like the Personhood Amendment. Not every Mormon thinks as you do, Josh. Thank heaven for that small miracle.
Originally Posted By u k fan I don't care to get tangled up in the politics of it all as I have no clue on how things run in the US, but I will say that outside of the Zion curtain you will find a lot of level-headed Mormons who understand how the real world works!!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 There's nothing wrong with being a Mormon. There is something wrong with being a phony and a weasel and frankly, kind of a creep, like Romney.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Sorry if you're offended, Josh, but your attitudes about minorities, women, and the poor are insufferably intolerant if not outright cruel. Not very Christ-like whatsoever. You're defending a political party and a political candidate who have willingly thrown the "lesser of my brothers" under the bus for the sake of pleasing their corporate billionaire masters and further lining their own overly stuffed pockets. Any self-proclaimed persons of faith, especially Christians, who support and defend the garbage social agenda of Mitt Romney might as well take out their New Testaments right now and burn them. Supporting and defending Romney would not be condoned by Jesus or any of his disciples. There's nothing 'compassionate' about the conservative wing of the Republican party. Nothing. Romney is the poster child for the money changers in front of the temple who took advantage of travelers needing to exchange their non-local currency for temple offerings. Jesus was livid at the money changers for their profiteering at the expense of those from lesser means traveling on religious pilgrimages. Romney's business practices have been and always will be cut from the same money changer cloth. His advocacy and support of the Ryan Budget, which embraces the destruction of our nation's social safety net, is totally against the Beatitudes and what Jesus was preaching from the Mount. You can claim to be a follower of Christ, Josh, but being a supporter of Romney speaks far louder to your true nature. And unfortunately, most Mormons are of your ilk. Disgraceful.
Originally Posted By u k fan I wish there were some more moderate Mormons here on LP. I always feel like I have to defend it when I don't agree with most of it myself. I just know that in amongst the hardliners there are some really nice members who don't deserve to be branded the same way!!!
Originally Posted By skinnerbox From a Pew Forum article dated January 12, 2012: <a href="http://www.pewforum.org/Christian/Mormon/mormons-in-america-executive-summary.aspx" target="_blank">http://www.pewforum.org/Christ...ary.aspx</a> <> Ideology, Partisanship and Economic Views Mormons tend to be quite conservative in their political leanings and in their views on social and moral issues. Two-thirds (66%) call themselves conservatives, and three-quarters of Mormon registered voters (74%) are Republican or lean toward the Republican Party. These ideological and partisan leanings are reflected in their views of President Barack Obama, whose favorability rating among Mormon voters (25%) is half of what it is among voters in the public as a whole. Mormons express highly positive views of GOP presidential candidate Mitt Romney (a fellow Mormon). Romney is viewed favorably by 86% of all Mormon voters and 94% of Mormons who are Republican or lean Republican. But even among Mormon Democrats and Democratic-leaning registered voters, 62% rate Romney favorably. In fact, Romney’s favorability rating is about as high among Mormon Democrats as it is among Republicans in the general population (56%). Two other prominent Mormon political leaders are viewed less favorably than Romney. Half of Mormon voters (50%) express a favorable view of Republican presidential candidate (and former Utah governor) Jon Huntsman Jr., while 24% express an unfavorable view and 26% have no opinion. Huntsman is viewed more favorably by registered voters in Utah, where 70% offer a favorable assessment and only 4% are unable to offer an opinion about him. Less than a quarter of Mormon voters (22%) have a favorable view of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, a Democrat; 51% of Mormon voters have an unfavorable opinion of Reid while 27% express no opinion about him. Mormons also tend to be conservative on other political issues. Three-quarters of Mormons (75%) say they prefer a smaller government providing fewer services to a bigger government providing more services; among the general public, 48% express a preference for smaller government. But Mormons are divided as to whether immigrants strengthen the U.S. because of their hard work and talents (45%) or burden the U.S. by taking American jobs, housing and health care (41%). On this question, Mormons’ views closely resemble those of the public as a whole. <> Wow. Just wow. Most Mormon DEMOCRATS view Romney more favorably (at least they did from Oct 25 - Nov 16, 2011 when the survey was conducted) than Republicans in the general population. And this has nothing to do with Romney being a Mormon? Bullpucky. You're supporting Romney, Josh, mostly because he's Mormon. That's why you overlook his flip-flopping and outright campaign lies about Obama, and his public support for destroying the social safety net. You're not fooling anyone but yourself.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I just know that in amongst the hardliners there are some really nice members who don't deserve to be branded the same way!!!>> There are some. I'm friends with some of them. But unfortunately, at least in the US, the majority of Mormons are conservative and not very Christ-like in their beliefs regarding the social safety net and government's role in maintaining it for those who need it.
Originally Posted By u k fan I think most Mormons would be cock-a-hoop (do you say that in the US?) to have a Mormon in the White House. That worries me. A lot.
Originally Posted By u k fan <<<But unfortunately, at least in the US, the majority of Mormons are conservative and not very Christ-like in their beliefs regarding the social safety net and government's role in maintaining it for those who need it.>>> We have some of those too, but they actually seem to be the minority. We have a USAF base near us so there is quite a high proportion of US members in my local ward. The ones from Utah are often so far removed from the real world that it's funny!!!
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "do you say that in the US?)" Hell no. And I'll thank you to read the LP posting standards! (j/k)
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Most Mormon DEMOCRATS view Romney more favorably (at least they did from Oct 25 - Nov 16, 2011 when the survey was conducted) than Republicans in the general population. And this has nothing to do with Romney being a Mormon? Bullpucky. >>> This takes me back about four years, to the 2008 GOP primary. Visiting Salt Lake City on business, there was this pervasive attitude in the air, and especially carried out by the local newspaper in both its news coverage and editorial, that Romney was the best candidate. It wasn't just that the people in the city and the newspaper supported Romney, but there was this attitude that he was obviously and by far the most qualified and best candidate, and that anyone that thought otherwise must be suffering from anti-Mormon bias, as there was no other reason to do so. It was striking. I think I see some of that going on here in WE in some threads.
