Originally Posted By Ryuki >>Walt would not tear down the Castle in Disneyland to put up a castle from Disney's Narnia or from Harry Potter if he bought the rights. The smart thing to do is put in in another area or land and not tamper with a classic Disney landmark. Walt would do magic with a new ride or attraction in it's proper place.<< They sort of did change the castle for now, for the 50th. It's still the same design, just altered a bit. Like Pirates. Yes, it would be different if they were to rebuild the castle as something totally different, but that's not what they did to Pirates. They did not bulldoze Pirates to put a Jack Sparrow animatronic in it's place. They did not destroy Pirates to build something like a Lilo and Stitch Ride or something. They kept the same ride and altered it a bit. Okay, so a couple animatronics look out of place. Whenever a new ride or an addition to an old ride opens, it feels out of place. Like, Jack Skellington in the Haunted Mansion. Speaking of which, Iheard they made a few drastic additions to the Haunted Mansion as well. And last time I rode Jungle Cruise, there were some change there too. Rides are always going to change. It's what Walt wanted - new technology, and changes. If we would have kept disneyland the way Walt left it, no one would g there any more. They keep adding stuff....like TownTown. TownTown feels out of place, and it wasn't one of Walt's original creations, but we still have it and have gotten used to it. Anyway, I'm sort of rambling.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This I new AA figures look alright, but they come from a different story. The ride is not the movie and the movie is not quite the ride. A whole new complete ride called the "Curse of the Black Pearl" or whatever would have been the right way to go. Disney can buy land anywhere in the world so they could have built a new ride somewhere else if they wanted to.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This That should have been "The" new AA figures. Where is that darn edit button?
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>I new AA figures look alright, but they come from a different story. The ride is not the movie and the movie is not quite the ride.<< What is the "story" of the original ride? >>Disney can buy land anywhere in the world so they could have built a new ride somewhere else if they wanted to.<< But the vast majority of us are happy that these enhancements are being done right here in Walt's original magic kingdom. After all, Walt always said that Disneyland would never be complete, etc. etc.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This More Jack Sparrow and less POTC: >>Now add to that the enormous crowds that are expected to come to Anaheim next year to experience the "Finding Nemo Submarine Voyage." Plus the people who will be coming back to Disneyland just to see the Will Turner & Elizabeth Swann AA figures that are scheduled to be installed in "Pirates" next spring.<< <a href="http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/jim_hill/archive/2006/06/30/3344.aspx" target="_blank">http://jimhillmedia.com/blogs/ jim_hill/archive/2006/06/30/3344.aspx</a> Disney is not merely plussing the ride as people are saying. The ride will not remain intact. People say it's the same ride and that they only added Jack Sparrow, Davy Jones and Barbossa, relax! Yeah right! Each year they will add more movie characters and remove some of the original pirate characters. People will forget the original ride and when it is totally taken over by Jack Sparrow and friends some people will ask, "Walt Disney designed a Pirate ride in the 60's without Jack Sparrow? I wonder what that ride was like?" I think in time the original POTC will be forgotten and what some people feared will come true. We will only have the Jack Sparrow/Johnny Depp ride left! Iger is just like Eisner. Profits before customers! (
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<People will forget the original ride>> The ride hasn't been the original since before you were born.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation For that matter, it hasn't been original for the last ten years. Consider the PC chase scene, the ugly farm animals and the extra two pirates, with the uppermost always straining against a rope with about 18" of slack...! Oh, and don't forget the fiber optic sign on the island. Except for the new treasure map and the five brand-new effects, that attraction hasn't been as close to the original in ages.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Exactly my point. Besides, for every old fan a new one comes along. Soon enough, this incarnation of PotC *will* be the original... to these new DL fans this version will be the first one they experienced. As for the changes that have happened in the last decade or so, the way it was before I don't even always remember. The fiber opic sign? Yes, I know it wasn't always there, but I honestly don't remember what that little area looked like without it.
Originally Posted By DismayingObservation That's a great point. I don't remember either! I do, however, vividly remember the chase scene. I also remember when the two alley cats yowling at the drunk pirate each had upright tails like real cats. Somewhere along the line, one cat developed a tail that was broken in a very unnatural-looking manner and stayed like that for years. Anyone who's been on the new ride happen to notice whether or not Kitty got her boo-boo fixed?
Originally Posted By dr jones trekkeruss, my first ever post on LP was asking if anyone remembered what was in that little area before the fiber optic sign! LOL! No one who responded seemed to remember.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I certainly remember the old chase scene, and completely agree with it being changed back. But you know what? It wouldn't surprise me if someone is out there who has only seen it with the women chasing pirates (because they have stolen food), and would think the latest change back to the original is bad!
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "Walt also championed attractions that were based on films, even ones that did not "age well." Swiss Family Robinson leaps to mind. How about Third Man on the Mountain?" Well, sure, there were attractions that had been based on films that the studio made. However, unlike adding Jack Sparrow to POTC, they were merely inspired by part of the film. I have never seen Third Man on the Mountain, yet I am able to fully understand and appreciate the Matterhorn Bobsleds. I doubt that seeing the movie would really add anything that I had missed before. Walt knew that, as hard as they might try, the best way to tell a story in an attraction is to simply set the mood and let people's imaginations take over. Unlike anything I have seen recently (definately since Indy, probably before that), each person was able to come up with their own version of what happened. They would all be similar, but each would vary slightly to fit the experience. I believe that is what made Disneyland so special, its ability to let people discover things for themselves. Watching something on TV is nice, learning about in a class room is neat, but making up your own way of doing it is something that only you can do, making the park more specialized than any interactive ride could ever hope for.
Originally Posted By Imagineer This I can imagine Iger thinking: "Those die-hard Disney fans are real stupid and I don't care about them even though I pretend to be one." " "It does not matter because in 10 or 20 years no kid will even remember who Walt Disney was and by then POTC will be no more." We are gradually turning the POTC ride into the Jack Sparrow/Johnny Depp ride and those loyal Disney fans are too stupid to ever figure it out!" "And by the time they do figure it out it will be too late!" (Insert maniacal laugh here!) Ahh, the Iger we all know and love? (
Originally Posted By Imagineer This If all the "additions" to POTC are confirmed over the next 10 years then POTC will be just one big "movie thing". (
Originally Posted By Ryuki You know, the funny thing is, if they never made any PotC movies, and they just put the exact same animatronics in the ride, everyone would think it's the coolest thing ever.
Originally Posted By Dis-Philip ImagineerThis, what is it going to take to get you to shut up around here?!
