Originally Posted By JohnS1 "I might be nuts, but at least i know what's what. I have my freedom to say what i want, because i've already taken care of my basic responsibilities." Having a car and a house and cash in the bank is no gurantee that a person can't be committed against his will. (-:
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Thank you JohnS1, but those are extreme cases. Since you add a backwards happy face, i'm wondering if there is a personal experience behind this. Old age, even though i ignore this reality, old age can cause some of these problems, especially in a selfish society.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<In the 80's, Rumsfeld and others said exactly that - that Saddam wasn't such a bad guy. That was pretty much the Reagan administration line.>> <Kind of like what Madame Albright said about Kim Jung Il huh?> Unfortunately, yes. Both parties can be pretty slimy sometimes.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Saddam compared to Iran back in the 80's wasn't so bad. Things change. Stalin compared to Hitler wasn't so bad. We see the pattern of liberals without a solution to winning wars continue. But boy can they complain and re-write history like nobody else.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <Saddam compared to Iran back in the 80's wasn't so bad. Things change.> The 80's is when Saddam gassed the Kurds and committed his worst acts against humanity. Iran wasn't our friend, but they didn't do anything like that. So why would Saddam be worse later than he was in the 80's? Because that was the official US gov't position, when it wasn't in the 80's?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy When we found out that Saddam gassed the Kurds did we support that Dabob? Once Saddam did that, and then he invaded Kuwait he lost any good standing with us. Besides, what does Saddam in the 80's have to do with Saddam who broke 17 UN worthless resolutions in 2001? I see the left trying to argue that the Saddam of today was not really that bad and he should be in power today. Yet they then say he was bad in the 80's so America is corrupt for working with him. YOu guys on the left make my head spin. How about supporting the war on terror and a stop to all the nonsense? Stop helping the enemy.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Beau, you need to find out what our government's position with Saddam actually was in the 80's and up until the invasion of Kuwait, especially vis a vis Iran. Until you do, you're arguing from a position of ignorance. But you won't. <I see the left trying to argue that the Saddam of today was not really that bad and he should be in power today. > I don't see anyone arguing that. I see people saying he was a tyrant and a murderer, and yet posed no imminent threat to US, and that on balance, invading and occupying his country was not wise. It's a sad fact that we can't invade and depose every tyrant we'd like to (Kim for instance), or even police countries where we know genocide is going on (Sudan), but that doesn't mean we like them. The world isn't black and white, except in Beauworld.
Originally Posted By JohnS1 "Since you add a backwards happy face," What do you consider to be backwards? To me, (-: is correct and is backwards. I guess it depends whether you lay in bed on your right side or your left.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd Actually, saddam had already gotten his power and the middleeast had developed it's own balance without much american thought except we own the refineries. It was cheney, and rumsfeld who went in, influencing the situation, by ignorantly giving them weapons to have them win against iran, and that ayotallah, who was way too religious for christians. I mean the guy was even willing to go to jail for what he believed, so you know he was up to no good for america. They went in with only greed as their one responsibilty. They sold their weapons, without anyone overseeing this from our government, because they had placed the senile reagan, who allowed everything, cause he was being manipulated like a non-thinking, poseable, cowboy, action figure.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Interesting how the people who are always offended give Ed a pass" I don't give Ed a pass. You can ask him what I've said to him.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Stalin compared to Hitler wasn't so bad." Stalin killed more people than Hitler did. Hitler is #3 on the mass murderer list, behind Mao and Stalin.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd I'm actually facinated how i am being written as having said things i haven't. Where they should be writing democrat, they write a few peoples names. But even there is a problem. They want to be as lazy as me, but i am not a lazy thinker, they are. So, as lazy thinkers, the republicans, group the non-partisans, and democrats, and terrorists, and mother-in-laws, and homosexuals, and priests, into the same group, that they seem to be calling, libs, or liberal, which has always been the way to survive, while conservatives get grey hair over nothing.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Who the hell is giving Ed a pass? Only beau, who seems to be egging him on, which figures.
