Originally Posted By Mr X ***Considering what Muslims have done to America, is it any real surprise that there is some prejudice? I mean, are we all really supposed to just let it go?*** This, too, speaks load and clear about the abhorrent, broad strokes nature of prejudice (and yes, you definitely used the correct term there boy howdy!). What "Muslims" did to America? All of them? Do you realize what a vast, diverse group of millions of people it is you just condemned? I'll focus my anger on the villains here, the terrorists of al Quada, thanks very much. Let's take another historical example, Pearl Harbor. Boy, they sure did a number on America. So, should we have collectively channeled our anger on all Asians. That's pretty much what you just did. Or how about all Buddhists. The Japanese were Buddhist, after all. Oh, but so were the Chinese. And lots of Indians. And plenty of others. Time to be prejudiced against all of them, I suppose. *sigh*
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Or Mr X, what about the fact that here in the UK both my dad and I have had close calls with IRA bombs, yet we do not hate catholics. Sadly, Pecos Bill's biggotry in this thread aptly demonstrates my concern. And although it was a long time ago, I am reminded the during the crusades, many thousands of christians were slaughtered by other christians because they "looked" muslim.
Originally Posted By KCCHIEF I was married for 16 years to a Muslim...from Pakistan. His family was never happy with me....they were not the one that they had "chose". I have the most beautiful and smart children.....but, it was hard. He did not celebrate any holidays ... and he would not even participate in Christmas with us. I am Christian and did all the Easters and Christmas's without him...... I loved him (while we were married) and he has gone on and remarried a nice lady from Pakistan.....and he seems happy (enough). I am sure that our marriage was hard for him..as well....as for me. He would have loved me to go to his Friday prayers and to the mosque. I would have liked him to go to church with me. My daughter traveled with him several times to Pakistan....and when she was little .....she liked it. Totally a different story ...once she became a teenager.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones KCCHIEF, did you live together before you married him? Did you talk about religion before you got married?
Originally Posted By pecos bill I knew my post was not going to go over well. It was written in direct response to Dave's reference to the amount of prejudice that the poor, misunderstood Muslims must endure. Let me say that as an Atheist, I feel no obligation whatsoever to accept this religion, or it's devotees at any level. Further, I think the degree of craven political correctness displayed by so many "superior" intellects only emboldens them in the belief that they are the dominant religion in the world. I have no use for any religion, but I am especially against those that are subject to so many different interpretations, too often resulting in catastrophic consequences.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I am especially against those that are subject to so many different interpretations<< That's pretty much all of them that have more than, say, 20 members.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***>>I am especially against those that are subject to so many different interpretations<< That's pretty much all of them that have more than, say, 20 members.*** Good lord, YES. Look at Christianity for pete's sake. Those guys have splintered themselves 100 ways to Sunday (quite litterally) and all of them think the other 99 is wrong, or at the very least sadly misguided. That's an lol if I ever saw one. Seriously. pecos, it seems like your "singling out" attempt only reinforces the wrongness of your statement!
Originally Posted By KCCHIEF yes, we lived together for a short time before our marriage...but, what can I say...young and in love......... we are good friends..... Looking back......I was very lonely tho. We discussed religion.....but neither one of must have understood the other. I am not sorry that I married this person...just wish that I had been better educated.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Those guys have splintered themselves 100 ways to Sunday (quite litterally)<< Well, they did a lousy job of sanding the pews.
Originally Posted By Labuda re: post 18-20: Thank you, Mr X, for so nicely responding to what was posted by someone who I never had respect for, and am not likely to ever have respect for, based on what he said about the man who is now my wonderful boyfriend Imran. Oh, and as an update - Imran spoke with his Imam and his Imam will be giving him an English copy of the Quran for me as well as some other books in English about Islam. So, Islam for Dummies will not be the only book I learn from.
Originally Posted By Mr X No problem. It's how I feel, certainly. ***Imran spoke with his Imam and his Imam*** For a minute there I thought you were starting a limerick.
Originally Posted By Labuda There once was a Muslim named Imran... Who called up the man who's his Imam... Yeah, that's all I've got. I stink at writing limericks. Rats!
Originally Posted By mawnck And from that holy man Got an English Koran So Labuda can learn about Islam. (My work here is done.)
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 Kudos to you Labuda for trying to learn about something important to your boyfriend. There are a lot of people (including a few on here) that would not take the time to learn about his faith but simply walk away from it.
Originally Posted By pecos bill Labuda, your self righteous indignity amuses me, surely when you chose to post your story in World Events, rather than community where it belongs, you must have expected some negative feedback. One might think you would appreciate a differing opinion in contrast to the chorus of politically correct well wishing. You all know what my take is on the matter, so I wont re-hash anything. I just think a person should hear some opposing viewpoints before she willingly subjects herself to a religious lobotomy.
Originally Posted By Labuda Wow, so deciding to learn about something that's important to the man I'm dating is a religious lobotomy? Nice to see you're a close-minded twit, bill. Did you ever consider the fact that maybe, just maybe, I want to learn about this for myself so I can better know how to interact with him? As for the well-wishing, I didn't ask for that in this thread. I simply asked for a good source of information about Islam. Also, if you note mele's post in this thread, you'll see that I am hardly the type to cow down to anyone, and I'll be damned if I get painted into a corner by a close-minded person like you. So, in closing, I'm VERY sorry if my desire for more knowledge bothers or scares you - I guess you're just not used to intelligent women who can think for themselves. My bad. Oh, and do make sure you don't read any books about things you're unfamiliar with. We don't want your smooth little brain to get overworked. Mawnk - hehe nicely done! I may share that with him! And, X - lookie there - a limerick WITHOUT Nantucket!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Bill, maybe if you opened your mind more, you just might learn something. There are a lot of good lessons in the quran. Hats off ann, if you ever want to talk about it with a non muslim, I am open to it.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Good luck lady, I hope Islam absorbs you like a sponge.<< ... and makes you live in a pineapple under the sea.
