Originally Posted By FerretAfros Dalmatians!!! >>Tomorrowland will become a dead-end...<< I'm surprised they aren't going to try and connect it. It seems like the iasw façade could work as a reasonable transition between the two lands, and TDL is the only park that has real connections off of Center Street; it's a shame that the outer ring of the park will be broken >>It is going to be a massive tessellating puzzle. It is a frightening prospect for any CM/PM.<< That all just sounds so fascinating to me! I really think that watching the incredible construction process is a huge part of why I like Disney's parks so much. Hopefully there will be some semi-regular updates on all this work for the non-Japanese parts of the world, since it seems like updates from TDR are less common than the other parks
Originally Posted By NGrey <<It was always a shame that the original Phase II with the Greece/Hercules theme never made it into development as it would have been a great addition. However this is a very good compromise.>> I think a port based on Greece or even myths in general would be an excellent choice for the next port. I imagine they will eventually take over the parking lot west of Arabian Coast/Lost River Delta for a 9th port. These current plans only cover a fraction of the amount they are planning to spend through 2024, so it is exciting to speculate what else they plan to add after. E.g. Revival of the Soarin' concept for Mediterranean Harbor
Originally Posted By leemac <<I'm surprised they aren't going to try and connect it.>> Sorry I probably wasn't clear enough. It will only be a dead-end during construction. Obviously that area will remain a conduit between Tomorrowland and Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By leemac <<These current plans only cover a fraction of the amount they are planning to spend through 2024, so it is exciting to speculate what else they plan to add after. E.g. Revival of the Soarin' concept for Mediterranean Harbor>> Not sure where you got the idea that this is a fraction of the spend. It is the vast majority of the spend. There is still some money in the pot for other minor changes but this project has been designed to take TDR through the next generation. Don't expect anything else substantial inside the berms of the two existing parks. The third park plans are unaffected by this capital spend.
Originally Posted By NGrey <<Not sure where you got the idea that this is a fraction of the spend. It is the vast majority of the spend. >> In their press release they indicated 400 out of the 500 billion yen was dedicated to the expansion and improvement of both parks. If the majority of that is being spent just on New Fantasyland and Scandinavia/Frozen, that would be incredibly overpriced in my opinion. That would put both far higher than the price of even Cars Land.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Does this mean Be Our Guest is still planned? I was hoping that BatB art was for an attraction. Their earlier press release in October also showed a new table service place overlooking the parade route that was "under consideration". I don't think they would build two full-service restaurants in such close proximity.>> Be Our Guest has never been in the plans. That B&B element hasn't yet been fully developed. The main focus is on the first floor restaurant where the Tomorrowland Terrace currently is as it will command premium prices. <<I hope the mountain won't be as tall as Mt. Prometheus, or it may become too visible from other parts of the park.>> It won't be anywhere near that height. Thankfully the site will be compact once you are inside so the only site lines to consider are the Indy show building and the back of the Sheraton.
Originally Posted By NGrey <<<<Be Our Guest has never been in the plans. That B&B element hasn't yet been fully developed. >> Thanks. I guess it is possible we could see anything from a stage show to a full dark ride. <<It won't be anywhere near that height. Thankfully the site will be compact once you are inside so the only site lines to consider are the Indy show building and the back of the Sheraton.>> That's good to know. So something like Splash Mountain or Radiator Springs then? Tall enough to block the view of the Sheraton.
Originally Posted By dagobert This whole projet sounds very exciting. I guess Frozen/Scandinavia will get a Frozen ride? Will it be similar to the one coming to EPCOT?
Originally Posted By NGrey <<I guess Frozen/Scandinavia will get a Frozen ride? Will it be similar to the one coming to EPCOT?>> It is on a far grander scale from what I've read. Spirit of 74 confirmed that it would cost over $400 million, which is more than double the cost of a regular E-ticket. He does mention that the size of the show building is a major factor for the extortionate cost. That being said, he revealed it is most likely a modern trackless dark ride like Mystic Manor. Epcot is only getting an overlay of Maelstrom with an estimated budget of $75 million.
Originally Posted By dagobert That sounds very ambitious! By the way, is the trackless ride system used for Pooh (TDL), Mystic Manor (HKDL) and Ratatouille (DLP) the same one?
Originally Posted By NGrey <<By the way, is the trackless ride system used for Pooh (TDL), Mystic Manor (HKDL) and Ratatouille (DLP) the same one?>> I remember reading that Mystic Manor uses a slightly different system than Pooh's Hunny Hunt. Ratatouille is probably the same tech as Mystic Manor given they were designed around the same time.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros ^^That is correct. And Aquatopia uses the same tech as Hunny Hunt, but as far as the guests can tell they're all the same system Considering that TDR already has 2 rides with the older technology, I wouldn't be entirely surprised if they went with that (or updated the other two in the process) so that all the maintenance requirements could be the same between them
Originally Posted By NGrey Spirit of 74 posted an update saying that a major attraction for both Alice and Beauty & the Beast is in the plans. Assuming the scale of these two rides is close to the planned Frozen ride at TDS, this would up the E-ticket count in Fantasyland from 3 to 5. That is far higher than any other land in any other Disney park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I remember reading that Mystic Manor uses a slightly different system than Pooh's Hunny Hunt. Ratatouille is probably the same tech as Mystic Manor given they were designed around the same time.>> Without getting into too much detail all 4 systems are different in execution. We used Roush is to much of the engineering on the ride vehicles and Jervis Webb to do the software development.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Spirit of 74 posted an update saying that a major attraction for both Alice and Beauty & the Beast is in the plans. Assuming the scale of these two rides is close to the planned Frozen ride at TDS, this would up the E-ticket count in Fantasyland from 3 to 5. That is far higher than any other land in any other Disney park.>. I presume that is over on WDW Magic? Think thats why he has his ego stroked. I'll wager he has no idea of the plans for Tokyo and is simply extrapolating from the images released. It is obvious that there will be attractions and RDE themed to both Alice and B&B. Some asked me if DLP's Be Our Guest show would be dusted off for TDL. The answer is no. OLC have no desire to build an AA show when they have one underperforming badly in Adventureland.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>OLC have no desire to build an AA show when they have one underperforming badly in Adventureland.<< Are they having issues with the Stitch Tiki Room? When I was there last summer, I was surprised by how busy it was in comparison to the rest of the attractions (though I guess that might be partly because Jungle Cruise was closed at the time) and the guests seemed to enjoy it more than their US counterparts. If that show is struggling, then I find it curious that they're opening a new attraction in Tomorrowland that's based on the same character
Originally Posted By NGrey <<I presume that is over on WDW Magic? Think thats why he has his ego stroked. I'll wager he has no idea of the plans for Tokyo and is simply extrapolating from the images released. It is obvious that there will be attractions and RDE themed to both Alice and B&B. >> Ego thing aside, I think he definitely has sources on the inside. He broke news of the Frozen port coming to TDS last September, which was well before OLC even announced their development details. He also posted that BoG and SDMT were not part of the plans back in October when people were speculating on a semi-clone of MK's NFL, which turned out to be correct. He was also correct about the table service place replacing TT.
Originally Posted By NGrey <<Some asked me if DLP's Be Our Guest show would be dusted off for TDL. The answer is no. OLC have no desire to build an AA show when they have one underperforming badly in Adventureland.>> What about a live show like at DHS? I imagine it would be insanely popular given the IP and based on the success of other stage shows at the resort.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Ego thing aside, I think he definitely has sources on the inside. He broke news of the Frozen port coming to TDS last September, which was well before OLC even announced their development details. He also posted that BoG and SDMT were not part of the plans back in October when people were speculating on a semi-clone of MK's NFL, which turned out to be correct. He was also correct about the table service place replacing TT.>> OK. I'm surprised he knew about Norway coming to TDS in September as it was a relatively late decision to execute it at the same time as the Fantasyland expansion. Originally the thinking was to hold off for TDS's 20th in 2021. All of the other stuff was known in October when we made the announcement (albeit at the end of the month). Tomorrowland Terrace has been under starters orders to close for years hence the largest facility in the land not to have been refurbished in the past decade. When it became apparent that the raceway had to go too it made sense to hold back. TT is a wonderful facility but the food is terrible. Arguably one of the worst anywhere in the Disney universe.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Are they having issues with the Stitch Tiki Room? When I was there last summer, I was surprised by how busy it was in comparison to the rest of the attractions (though I guess that might be partly because Jungle Cruise was closed at the time) and the guests seemed to enjoy it more than their US counterparts. If that show is struggling, then I find it curious that they're opening a new attraction in Tomorrowland that's based on the same character>> The attendance numbers aren't materially different to the Get the Fever show. Although it is a very strange show that was poorly scripted it is thought that Stitch isn't the problem. He isn't as popular as at the height of his fame with the TV show and the special events but he still has a fanbase. Turtle Talk is a huge hit at TDS so bringing this Living Characters Program show to TDL made a lot of sense. We've looked at the past with what to do with the Tiki Room. It wouldn't surprise me if it is eventually turned into a dinner show venue instead. I'm not sure OLC will continue to drag it along in its current incarnation.
