Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "You're still missing the point. Yes, the union is way out of line, but Disneyland is also LETTING them protest in that manner." Isn't Disneyland Drive a public street? Not saying that you aren't correct, but I'm just wondering what legal course Disney could take with the The City of Anaheim to stop them if they aren't technically on Disney property.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ^^Then why isn't Anaheim PD doing something about it? They are clearly disturbing the peace.
Originally Posted By fkurucz ===<I'm not sure who is in the right or wrong here, but I think that if I were a member of the union and worked in a Disneyland hotel, instead of striking I would go enroll in a local community college and take some classes. That's just me, though." some of these people have kids, a Husband and lots of bills, its not that easy=== And in this day and age I'm not sure that a few quickie classes at the CC will make a difference. Reminds me of the 1990's real estate bust in SoCal. The next door neighbor was a construction supervisor who suddenly found himself unemployed. He asked me to recommend him a few classes he could take the the local CC so he could become a "Software Engineer", so he could apply for a job at HP. I told him that it didn't work like that (he was also a little shocked to learn how low entry level pay was, he was actually expecting to land a 100K job after taking 2 or 3 CC classes), and that he would need a 4 year degree. He wound up starting a pool cleaning biz. He wound up in foreclosure a year later.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Then why isn't Anaheim PD doing something about it? They are clearly disturbing the peace." How do we know that they haven't? I know it's probably unlikely, but how do we know that the union hasn't secured permits to protest? Maybe they are withing their rights to protest at that hour. Who knows. The point is that there seems to be a lot of assumptions going on here.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I don't think that a permit to protest gives them the legal right to raise a ruckus during the wee hours of the morning.
Originally Posted By mawnck I don't think they hand out permits to protest in the wee hours of the morning.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE It is time for both sides to get with the program...settle your differences, so we all can live in peace and harmony and happily with each other dorever and ever amen..: ) If some one is causing another person undue hardship, that is considered a violation, most people just shrug it off and go home, like i said if the union has enough members that arre oposed to these tactics let your voice be heard..you are the power of the union, not the president, start a petition..get enough ignatures give it to your mayor , your govt official...see if they can help, this is really starting to be come a nuisance problem, so sad....grown ups are acting so silly...maybe someone should check the water...
Originally Posted By Westsider Can you imagine the horrible press Disney would get if it called the cops and had the union protesters hauled off to jail? The LA Times would be full of stories about Disneyland Hotel housekeepers with children at home would be sent to jail, only to have to hawk the family silver to post bail and get to their 12 dollar an hour job at the Disneyland Hotel to put food on the table. The publicity would be horrible, the union would make sure the most heartbreaking stories would be offered up to journalists, and Disney would be made out to be the big, bad bullies who won't allow their union workers to protest the low wages they get from the Mouse. Don't you remember the worldwide sound bite that hit all media when Disney was battling SunCal to keep the Resort District dedicated to tourist uses? The instant message that got out was "Disney Against Affordable Housing For It's Employees!". Disney won't be painted as the good guy trying to preserve a good nights sleep for tourists from Idaho here. Disney will be painted as union busting bad guys who throw working mothers in jail for trying to fight for higher wages and health benefits for their children. Surely we don't think Disney hasn't realized the uphill battle they would face with the LA Times and most national media on this?
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Don't know much about the politics of Disney...but there is a right way and a wrong way, while two wrongs don't make a right....in this case it may, because both sides are wrong and it is about time the childish behaviour of both sides came to an aburpt end...cooler heads are needed to prevail on both sides, and soon...if the media thought this story was worth reporting they would have been over it a long time ago, there are many places that offer the same or less wages, you have to be able to know how to negociate for your members, if the union knew how to negociate in a responsible manner, you would have gained the respect of Disney and they would be more favourable to getting an agreement in place, if you carry this demeaning approach, why would they want to increase any contract demands to a group so focused on disruption, this is not the way to go... other uniuons must be having a chuckle, just hope they don't get painted with the same brush as this bunch...
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Can you imagine the horrible press Disney would get if it called the cops and had the union protesters hauled off to jail?<< I don't think so. I don't think even the most biased media outlet could spin a 4 AM arrest of non-Disney employees in the union's favor, especially if the cops did the actual arresting.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I don't think they hand out permits to protest in the wee hours of the morning." You apply and get them in advance, not while you are protesting.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "The publicity would be horrible, the union would make sure the most heartbreaking stories would be offered up to journalists, and Disney would be made out to be the big, bad bullies who won't allow their union workers to protest the low wages they get from the Mouse." Exactly.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I don't think even the most biased media outlet could spin a 4 AM arrest of non-Disney employees in the union's favor, especially if the cops did the actual arresting." That's easy. All they have to do is leave out the time of day. The media leaves out details like that all the time.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE pEOPLE...there is nothing that any of us can do, unless you are affiliated with this group of workers, your voice shall remain silent...no one that has listened from to any one here at all, I gave many suggestions because I thought that there were some union members and management personel in the audience...this is a very simple thing to deal with if your involved, if the public was that concerned all of this pettiness would have been dealt with a long time ago, the law is only going to get involved if the law is broken, and it better be broken good cause their time is too valuable to waste on the silly dispute.. unions can be in big trouble if they are shown to be law breakers..this is not so, because this has gone on for so long, no one is listening to the cries of the wolve..
Originally Posted By bean I contacted the orange county paper and asked the author of the article if he had any intention of writing a follow up article to theone he had written. He said no because Disney has no right to stop the protests (which by the wya is crap). I know for a fact that Disney could call the authorities and have the protestors refrain from making somuch disturbance or they would be taken in for not obeying. I also asked why he a follow up article is not written describing the scheme that the union President is using to do these protest and to also explain that many of those protesting are not actual Disney employees. He said that he is very much aware of the tactics that the particular union is doing and that he knew that some of those people are actually bussed in from San Diego to help with the protest. Basically his reply was that he did not care and was only interested in writing a story that helped the union.
Originally Posted By TINK-MOBILE Both sides should agree on a mediator, then all these protests would stop... perhaps Disney would like all the guests to be so infuriated with this whole thing that they cause such a disturbance the law enforcement will have to intervene, who knows, your local paper reaches alot of people is the editor you are speaking of, Mediation should be next and soon for everyone's sake, it is clear these two can not get it done by themselves...
Originally Posted By HRM Walt Disney Co. = Big Business = BAD. Unions = Helping small workers = Good.
Originally Posted By ploeb909 Maybe I am being naive about this situation, but to put it in plan terms "tick off the cutomer-customer does not come back". Disney, will not be hurt by a shortage of hotel guest-the hotel worker will. Disney will always be, regardless of hotel staff. Yes I think they deserve decent wages, yes, people who earn benefits should get them. Yes to it all..but ruining someones vacation is not the answer.
Originally Posted By HRM Also.... does anyone really think that the Company will bend to the Union... puh-lese.... Walt Disney himself pissed off the Unions early in his career and just went on Business as Usual. The Comapny will always look out for itself, and more times than not, the Union employees will not benefit. Just the way the Pixie Dust falls.
