Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Nothing from nothing here, but despite the fact that IT DIDN'T RAIN from about midday on in most of Southern California, the forecast did still call for rain that wasn't supposed to let up until the Saturday to Sunday overnight hours. Just sayin'.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan ^^^^^ making that kind of decision on what is basically a RUMOR is not wise. People on these discussion sites get blasted for taking rumors as gospel. Rumor are just that UNTIL they are proven correct.
Originally Posted By muppetmama Excuse me "Manfried" but what's your problem? Are you a Disneyland fan? If so why make rude comments implying that AP holders are dweebs or suckers? If not why are you on here? And what's your problem with California? Some of us are out here serving our country as military families trying to make the experience the best one for our kids we can, and if you plan to visit the park 3 times in one year, an AP is actually cheaper (a lot cheaper if you figure in the 20% merchandise and 15% dining discount we are currently getting). So how about you back off?
Originally Posted By Manfried Oh, so now I'm insulting military families? Nice leap. I would not insult military families. Never. But you are obviously trying to put me down by making me look bad.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros From what I've seen, a disproportionate number of Disney dweebs (myself included) in the parks are APers. However, they're still a small minority of the overall AP population. Just because somebody doesn't like the exact same things about Disneyland as you doesn't mean that they don't like it. Many people here miss what the park used to be, and are having a hard time with the current direction the park is taking. As for California in general, as an outsider, it isn't the most friendly place to live. It's very provincial and self centered (where else would you find a theme park about the state its in?...other than Texas). There's also an overall sense of importance that Californians tend to have that says they're better than you just because they're from California, but they can't really figure out why California is so great. I'm not saying that you are like this, or anybody in particular, but when I moved out here, that was by and large the impression I got from the general population. I've also met some amazing people who are from California who have definately had a very positive impact on my life.
Originally Posted By Manfried Ferret: You make some good points. I have found Californians on both sides of the spectrum. But I have found many Californians who are APers that seem to have a big sense of privilege over others. I don't mean to lump you in with them. I haven't been to the California parks for several months now, and haven't been to WDW for some time now either. I am hoping it will help me look at the parks from a better perspective than those who do almost all the time.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "^^^^^ making that kind of decision on what is basically a RUMOR is not wise. People on these discussion sites get blasted for taking rumors as gospel. Rumor are just that UNTIL they are proven correct." National Weather Service forecasts are RUMORS? Really? That's a, well, a rather unique opinion.
Originally Posted By mousermerf When exactly did the average joe become the benchmark? And why? I can't think of a good reason to use the people who are wishy-washy in their appreciation as a benchmark. They're the one who come to these forums and say "wasn't it for safety?" when 12 people have told them it stopped raining, DtD was still open, and there was certainly no safety concern. Epcot has shut down due to safety concerns when there was power failures and bomb threats - trust me, we'd know if that had happened. And those same people wonder if this is new.. yes, it's new. They have not pulled this sort of stunt before and they seem to be doing it more frequently as they've discovered they can get away with it. I can tell you with 100% assurance that this is not what the policy used to be. It used to be that the CMs hung out backstage, some with raincoats meet/greeting to tell guests why this or that ride was closed in the rain, and you waited in hopes that it would let up. "Do you know when?" "No, sorry, we don't control the weather, but we will reopen when we can" and.. if they asked "What about the forecast?" the response was "Forecasts aren't always accurate, we simply suggest checking back later." That was how it was done for years. If you can reopen before park closing then you do - heck, I had a day where I had to stay late because we were capable of reopening 5mins after the park closed and so we cycled as many guests through as possible that realized we were open after being broken-down all day. As a CM I actually tried to say "but my shift is over and i dont want to stay" and my manager said "You've been getting paid to do nothing all day, get over it, these people are here for a once in a lifetime vacation and it's less then an hour of your life." And i did, and I gave the best show I could. Sadly, no one at Mouseland says such things anymore when folks want to go home and there's a chance they might lose some money in the short term.
Originally Posted By mousermerf <<<<National Weather Service forecasts are RUMORS? Really? That's a, well, a rather unique opinion.>>>> Disney has not based their decisions in the past off of national weather service forecasts unless it pertained to hurricanes or tornados. I don't know about DLR, but WDW has its own weather TV channel it watched at all the backstage areas and it creates its own forecasts. Lightning strike has to be within X-mile radius of outdoor attractions to shut them down. Rain has to be falling at X-inches-per-hour to shut down various attractions. It is not this "oh, it's raining, shut it down" BS that anaheim is pulling. They actually put managers outside behind Test Track when a stormfront is approaching and they call on the radio to E-stop the ride when they see a lighting strike that is considered within the X-mile radius. They hold off as long as humanly possible.
Originally Posted By mousermerf And attractions reopen immediately when conditions clear as storms are a -temporary- situation.
Originally Posted By 2001DLFan <<SingleParkPassholder: National Weather Service forecasts are RUMORS? Really? That's a, well, a rather unique opinion.>> There's an APP for that. I can sit at my computer and see a live radar image of the rain as it moves through Southern California. The forecasts provided by the weather service may say that the next twelve hours will bring increased rain, but they are guesses based on issues that may not hold after six hours. And, their percentage of rain is generally an average for the entire SC vicinity. When the radar shows the storm moving off the the north or totally dissipating, i would tend to discount any forecast that had been made hours ago.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Well Mr x: I do find your comments relevant and interesting; comparing WDW to DL.*** Thanks. ***I am sorry my comment was not relevant. I was curious to know if Disney closed Downtown Disney due to weather issues because I figured Corporate Disney would use the revenue "pop" as a further excuse to change DL's hours.*** My sincere apologies, MMC. I got the impression from your question that you were going the "apologist" route, sort of implying that so long as they kept the shops and restaurants open then it was "all good". Thus my unfairly blunt "how is THAT relevant!" reply. I apologize. I should've written that a different way and not made such an assumption. ***I always felt OrlandoUniversal closed their parks early to force guests into the central resort/shops area. I guess my thoughts are irrelevant.*** That's a very interesting point.
Originally Posted By Mickeymouseclub ^LOL...that the shops close early or that my thoughts are irrelevant... Sometimes I think we are having "conversations" pro/con and arguing for the same thing without realizing...But I will say one thing the distance on LP/the attraction is always twisted. And that is just what makes it a laughing place for me.
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan On our local news they were reporting people digging out of Massive mudslides on Sunday the occured on Saturday in So Cal. Not Anaheim specifically, I cant remember the name, but it was the same place that was hit really hard by rains a couple of weeks ago making it very vulnerable to mud slides. The Pics on the news looked pretty bad. I figured it must have been for us to get it on our news up here in OR. Maybe employees of Dl live in these areas? They did have to evacuate.....according to the news.
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan We had flooding here that practically turned our town into one large River. The rain that caused the actual flood was not that bad but it was what you call the perfect storm. We had a lot or rain that year so the ground was very saturated, then some unseasonally warm weather in the mountains caused early snow melt and the two together with a small rainstorm caused the streams and rivers to reach flood stage very quickly. My Dh is a policeman and it was their job to warn all the local business's and residences in the flood plain to prepare for flooding......they basically laughed, but by the next morning nobody was laughing as our little town was half submerged in water. So sometimes you have to expect the worst I am not an AP holder but I may be a dweeb as I paid full price for my three DL trips last year. I just never know if I will get the time to come more than once in the year. I would like to think that DL is looking out for the welfare of its guests and employees rather than trying to cheat AP holders out of their time in the park. thinking positive
Originally Posted By mousermerf Hate to break it you, but you're wrong. It was not any sort of safety concern.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan with todays economy the way it is going, alot of people stay away from going outside when its raining. Same case with disneyland, if they only have x number of guests and its very very very low, these guests can most of the time get on all the rides more than one or two times. this has happened to me as a guest before. my friends and i went in the rain back in 1999 and it was pouring, by noon or one there was not a cloud in the sky and it was sunny. but due to lack of guests in the park they closed early because there is no reason to stay open a few extra hours when most of the guests can get on all the rides with no one there. We got to go on literlly all the open rides at disneyland two or three times and felt that yeah even though they closed early we got the bang for our buck. And it is also for safety reasons. the rain makes everything slick and slippery and im sorry, the custodial only can do so much they are no miracle workers in the rain. they can do what they can but they can't soak up all the water. Yes i am sorry that people feel cheated when they close early because of inclement weather. and disney does pay attention to the weather report and they can only go by what that weather report is whether its accurate or not.
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan So there was no storm that caused wide spread power outages in La county, flooding and mudslides?
Originally Posted By oredisneyfan I know Ahaheim is in Orange County but it is very close to LA county and definatly could affect people traveling to DL
