Originally Posted By EmmaJayne I loved this episode, it's the first one I've really been excited about in a long time. I was a bit iffy when I heard it was an Alice themed episode, because I am SO over Alice in Wonderland.. but I was quite pleased with how this was done.. (the No Alice was a huge plus). I like the concept of the multiple universes within fairy tale land, I guess this now opens up the doors for them to explore Peter Pan at some point (although I really worry about what they'd do with Peter Pan and don't really want them to go there) or other stories that don't fit within the traditional idea of a fairy tale.. I really liked seeing Regina as the Evil Queen in Old Hag form. I thought that was a nice touch. It was the first time I noticed her name was Regina in both worlds, but earlier today I re-watched the Genie episode (I forget their titles sorry) and Snow White's father introduces her as Regina.. so I must have just missed it then. I thought Jefferson was a ridiculous name for the mad hatter. Small detail I know but I'm a name nerd and Jefferson seemed like an unusual pick.. (Slightly irrelevant but I LOVE that Emma's name is Emma!! Perhaps I am a fairy tale princess after all?) I really hope Emma is starting to believe. At first I liked how it took her more than two weeks, that seemed more realistic but at the same time, my patience is running out. I really need to re-watch the past few episodes because I'm starting to get the feeling I am missing something. I really don't know what Gold is up to, but I somehow don't think he is really on Regina's side. I don't think he's on anyone's side except his own.
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk <<Mary Margaret did kill Catherine>> Really? I missed this episode (ugh) so again I am lost. I really need to get a recording device. So appreciate your comments everyone.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I didn't interpret this latest episode the same way Ferret Afros did. If anything, there were more impliacations that Regina set up Mary Margaret to make it merely seem as though she had committed murder.
Originally Posted By utahjosh Yeah, I don't think Mary Margaret killed Catherine. And I I'm guessing that Regina's dad was rescued from Wonderland long before she killed him.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom The viewer truely doesn't know who killed Catherine. Mary Margaret says she didn't do it. Emma discovered that one of Reginas skeleton keys opens Mary Margaret and Emma's apartment door. Emma came across Regina's skeleton key collection in a prior episode. And, cutting out peoples hearts whith a hunting knife is Rigina's modus operandi not Snow White's. Snow White uses the bow and arrow. I also thought the name Jefferson was a let down. So much for creativity. And I'm getting a little tired of Emma "not believeing". Afterall, she kissed the sheriff/ huntsman and he remembered everything. Obviously Emma at least with a kiss seems to be able to break the spell. And Emma did follow the wolf, who apparently was the huntsman familuar. Oh yeah and then there is always that thing hanging over everyone in Storybrooke that if anyone ( except Emma ) tries to leave there are always bad consequences. Yup your right...... nothing to believe there. This show is really dwelling on the absurdity.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom If no one in the town including Emma doesn't believe there is a curse over the entire town then ask yourself, why doesn't anyone leave? Right, so no one is going to leave. Not even visit WDW? Not on a Disney Cruise? No vacations to exotic lands? Or Boston? There really isn't much to do in Maine. I should know I've been there plenty of times. You don't hear anyone in the show ever mentioning going to the beach, or LL Bean. Not even the state capitol? When was the last time you ever where in a town where no one has ever left the town? But your right, no reason to think something strange is going on. Keep on disbelieving Emma!
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne ^^ I just assumed that was part of their bizarre failing memory.. They didn't realize they never left or they had ideas of leaving but then their memory wipes so they start from scractch again. Now their memories are back to working more or less as normal, Maybe more will.. Like Katherine.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>The viewer truely doesn't know who killed Catherine.<< When Mr Gold and Regina were talking in the hallway at the sherriff's station, he said that she had done it, so it would be easy to convict her. Maybe Regina has somehow changed Mr Gold's memory, or he was just trying to play to her intent, but it was said in a very matter-of-fact sort of way.
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 Mr. Gold called Regina "Your Majesty." Have I missed that in other episodes?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: So, this latest episode has redeemed the rest of the series--for the time being at least. Now we know why the evil queen hates Snow White so much. It went far deeper than merely being fairest in the land, which we already knew, but they finally filled in the blanks for us. ORWEN: But Snow White didn't mean to betray the queen. Her intentions were pure. ORDDU: Try telling that to Regina! ORGOCH: I wouldn't try tellin' NOTHIN' ta that piece a trash! Did ya see how she talked ta her mama?!?! She deserved ev'ry bad thing that ever happened ta her! ORDDU: The situation with Catherine will be interesting to follow now that she's turned up again. ORWEN: But Mr. Gold just makes me curiouser and couiser. He's just too mysterious for me to figure out!
Originally Posted By chickapin And I think we got a hint as to who the Queen of Hearts might be... Agree with the witches--this was a good episode.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Yes, it was an intresting episode. However, I think if that is why Regina has a grudge against Snow White, it's a pretty warped viewpoint. Snow was just a child. The individual who ruined Regina's "happy ending" was her own mother. Put the hatred where it belong Regina. Also if Katherine can come back without a heart ( I'm assuming they did a DNA check on the heart they found prior to bringing up murder charges against Mary Margret ). Then couldn't Regina's fiancee come back?
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk I am thinking that the reporter/genie fudged the medical reports to show the heart belonging to Catherine. I KNEW Mary Margaret could not have killed Catherine. Good episode. Really like this show.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: You are correct in saying Regina has a warped idea in blaming a child for her misfortune, Kennesaw Tom, duckling. But hatred isn't logical. When you stop to think about it, all illogical thinking is immature and many adults practice this in real life. That's why there are so many wars around the world. Too many individuals in the world are immature with illogical thinking which they act upon. It's one of the main things that makes Life truly frightening.
Originally Posted By utahjosh The little girl who played young Snow did a remarkable job. She was so like the adult actress!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Your right Witches. I thought they did a remarkable job find a child who looked so much like Snow White....
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I thought that the young Snow White was incredible. In addition to actually looking like a young version of the same actress, she also had the mannerisms down to a science. Part of me wonders if they used motion capture (like for CLU in Tron: Legacy), but it looked too good to be done with computers. While there was a lot of story and connection going on in this episode, the girl definitely stole the show (whether she was a real girl or a CGI face)! I like the explaination of why Regina hates Snow, but I hope that they go into more detail about their relationship. I could see them doing a lot of "innocent well-meaning child does something that ruins everything" scenarios, which could be interesting if played right. And my new question is why is Regina's mom so much of a bee-otch? Why is social status so important to her? And was it just me, or did it sound like maybe remarried after Regina was born? I would assume that Regina inherited her magic from her mom, but it appeared that she didn't have any at the time of the episode. I think we're supposed to assume that Mr Gold brought Catherine back, but I'm not sure what we're supposed to make of it. And does it bother anyone else that none of the ladies ride horses side-saddle? When Regina's mother insisted she use a saddle, the guy (good-old whats-his-name) was standing there with a saddle that's designed for riding side-saddle (which is why it wasn't symmetrical). Yet, when we see her riding with a saddle later, she's doing it western style. And Snow White managed to do it in a dress, no less! I think the last time I saw that was with Bonnie Blue Butler in Gone with the Wind, and we all know what happened to her...
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne This episode has made me cranky!! First of all, I loved little Snow.. without completely parroting what has been said above me, I think we can all agree she was excellent.. I also thought they did a fantastic job of making Regina look younger, very impressive. But this episode which promised so much, delivered so little. We've all been waiting to see why Regina hates Snow so much and I felt this was a real let down. Her anger should have been directed at her mother, who quite clearly manipulated a young girl. I can understand Regina being angry at the young Snow but not so angry that she spends years plotting revenge leading to the curse they are currently under. It was interesting to see Regina's mother and her powers, informing us where Regina's magic comes from, although she didn't seem to have any in this episode. Perhaps the magic comes with power later on? I can understand Regina's heartache, watching the man you love die and being forced to wed someone so much older but I think even an irrational, heart broken woman can see who she was better directing that anger at, after all, she watched her mother literally tear Daniel's heart out. At the start of this episode, I thought of Glinda from Wicked with her ' Are people born Wicked? Or do they have Wickedness thrust upon them?' but this story left me feeling as though there must always have been some form of evil within Regina for it to all play out like this. Also, I liked the real world stuff. I am glad Emma discovered she was being played. And it seems to me that Mr. Gold did a typical Rumple style deal, he only ever promised to set it up, not the final outcome. I don't think he is on MM's side or Regina's, simply his own. I can't wait for the next one now.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I don't think it is at all unrealistic for adults to carry long held grudges against others--even children--for a long time. As a matter of fact, I've personally known plenty of adults who have done just that. It's very immature, to be sure, but not at all unbelievable. This world is very wicked and self-centered to the point where it's not wonder there are so many out of control people who are ready to do harm to each other at the drop of a hat. There is always a war taking place somewhere in the world, or so it seems. So Regina's behavior is a perfect reflection of what goes on in real life.
