Originally Posted By skinnerbox Yeah. And one of my hunches in the spoiler above just came true. The show took a major turn tonight, and I'm not confident that it's a turn for the better. The OUAT discussion boards elsewhere have been making predictions since the second show that keep coming true, which probably isn't a good sign. They predicted that the sheriff would be the one to die, and they were right. I don't believe it should have been that easy to figure out.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I am really enjoying the show. But, I have to say in my opinion what takes away from the show is all this attention focused on the evil queen. I wish they would spend more time focusing on some of the intresting characters. The Huntsman was one of the more intresting characters. Now, unfortunately he is gone. I guess we have to wait till after the holidays to see what is going to happen next.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I have to say in my opinion what takes away from the show is all this attention focused on the evil queen. I wish they would spend more time focusing on some of the intresting characters.>> Ditto. If the storytellers don't turn a corner soon, they will lose my interest. We have enough backstory on the queen to let her sit for a bit and focus on other stories. In some ways, I feel cheated for meeting an interesting character, only to see him snuffed out so quickly.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Another thing that merits mentioning is this is definately "not" a childrens show. The scene with the evil queen tearing the Huntsman heart out was a bit much for younger viewers. Also, the Huntsman crying and saying a prayer everytime he killed an animal was a bit much and straight out of Avatar.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<The scene with the evil queen tearing the Huntsman heart out was a bit much for younger viewers.>> As in, the K-2 set? I would agree. But for older kids, it's not that big of a deal. The heart removal scene from the second Indy film was actually much worse. Given the sex romps between the mayor and sheriff, I don't think really young kids should be watching the show, anyway. <<Also, the Huntsman crying and saying a prayer everytime he killed an animal was a bit much and straight out of Avatar.>> Wow, KT. Way to diss all of the earth-based and goddess-based religions from around the globe, since way before Jesus' time. Not to mention it was fitting of the character, since he was raised by wolves. I found that part honestly refreshing.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>...what takes away from the show is all this attention focused on the evil queen<< Now, Tom, you know as well as I do that it always ends up being about the "queens"! I'm not real happy that he ended up being what I consider to be a throwaway character like the Huntsman. I'd have been happier if they hadn't killed him off but, on the upside, now Emma has more reason to stick around and get more involved in the goings-on in Storybrooke - she's the only law in the town now.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Yes, I like Emma, too. She reminds me of myself--strong, determined and beautiful... ORGOCH: Yer 'bout as strong as Olive Oil in a hurricane...as determined as Pee Wee Herman on crack...an' as beautiful as Newt Gingrinch!!! (Sounds of thumps and bumps followed by boots and scoots...)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<she's the only law in the town now.>> Which only proves just how STUPID the mayor can be. She eliminates the sheriff so now Emma becomes the town's sole source of law enforcement? The one person the mayor wants to see gone from Storybrooke? Sure, it drives the plot. But seriously... is the evil queen really that dumb? As for Mr Gold and his shovel, methinks he'll be featured next. I suspect he's trying to find something that's buried, versus burying something himself.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: Well, it was obvious from the first that this series would revolve around the evil queen--just as Dynasty revolved around Alexis. Emma is the Krystal Carrington factor of this series. So what else would you expect the writers to do--other than create a series about the on-going cat fights between these two?
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I was reminded of the same thing, Autopia Deb, duckling. It would seem that the writers of this series are heavily influenced by the women's liberation movement, in that they are writing things in such a way as to make the female characters the strongest characters of this series, while the male characters are, to a certain degree, more like victims. Interesting if you're attracted to that sort of thing but I'm not so sure that I am. The way they write for Snow White makes her more agressive than in the original story and that changes her into a completely different sort of person. Persoanlly, I prefer the more innocent Snow White that Uncle Walt created for us.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>... is the evil queen really that dumb?<< I think she's smart but her vindictiveness tends to override her intelligence. In other words - she's a typical female. ;-P >> I suspect he's trying to find something that's buried, versus burying something himself.<< Could be, but I thought just the opposite - that he's trying to bury whatever talisman/spell could be used to break the curse and send them all back.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I think she's smart but her vindictiveness tends to override her intelligence. In other words - she's a typical female. ;-P>> Moving on... <<Could be, but I thought just the opposite - that he's trying to bury whatever talisman/spell could be used to break the curse and send them all back.>> Hmm... I took another look at that scene and Mr Gold is just finishing up his task as the sheriff stumbles upon him. He probably is burying something rather than digging something up, maybe even something from his shop, that he now has to hide. OK, let's play with this theory a bit. Could it be that the wolf knew what was happening, and led his buddy to the forest so it would be discovered? Why would the wolf do that? Has anyone else considered the notion that the wolf isn't actually a wolf at all?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<Could be, but I thought just the opposite - that he's trying to bury whatever talisman/spell could be used to break the curse and send them all back.>> I don't believe Mr Gold is aware they are all cursed and from the past. <<Hmm... I took another look at that scene and Mr Gold is just finishing up his task as the sheriff stumbles upon him. He probably is burying something rather than digging something up, maybe even something from his shop, that he now has to hide.>> Agreed, he was burying something to hide it. <<Could it be that the wolf knew what was happening,>> Absolutely. If you recall the wolf was the one who cased Emma to crash. In an attempt to keep Emma in Storybrooke. <<and led his buddy to the forest so it would be discovered? Why would the wolf do that?>> The wolf knows what is going on. <<Has anyone else considered the notion that the wolf isn't actually a wolf at all?>> I'm thinking there is more to the wolf. Perhaps the wolf is a cursed character we don't know about yet. But the wolf certainly has been helping the Huntsman/ Sheriff. The wolf is obviously not a threat to Emma. I do think the "wolf" is perhaps the best storyline going thus far. I hope there is going to be a lot more to the wolf. So far what I said still holds, less evil queen... more of everything else.
Originally Posted By Scutr >>I don't believe Mr Gold is aware they are all cursed and from the past.<< He's the only one who DOES know the whole story. Go back and watch the first couple of episodes. I'm not entirely sure even Regina is fully aware of who everyone is. She seemed to not remember that she could not deny any request Gold/Rumplestiltskin asked of her, and if I recall correctly, her loss of memory was part of the bargain they made.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I think your getting confused, Regina is completely aware of the situation. Gold doesn't know about the curse. In the episode "the thing you love the most", Regina and Rumplestiltskin are having a conversation about how to activate the curse. He makes a deal with her that he wants to be comfortable after the curse and Regina must do anything he asks her to do if she says please. She agrees and reminds him that he will not remember a thing and he confirms that is true statement and he will not remember a thing. So according to the story so far Gold doesn't remember anything.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<So according to the story so far Gold doesn't remember anything.>> At least he didn't, in the beginning. But what if he started to remember stuff, like the sheriff was doing just before his death, long before Emma showed up? And he's got ulterior motives for pretending that he doesn't remember anything? Digging around in the forest with a shovel and not being honest about it doesn't quite fit the pattern of the other residents, save the mayor. If Storybrooke had the equivalent of a double agent, it would be Mr. Gold. He's playing his cards close to the vest. I believe he's knows far more than he's letting on.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom We don't know for fact that Gold has his memory. Of course anything is possible since this is Hollywood. What we do know is that in the episode "what you love the most", there was a conversation between the Evil Queen and Rumplestiltskin in which Rumplestiltskin agreed his memory would be gone. Of course he could have been lying and through the use of magic could have found a away around that part of the curse.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I would much rather see the show focus around "other" story plots. Less Evil Queen and Rumplestiltskin and more of everyone else.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox ^^ Agreed. This is why I'm starting to get a bit worried, about the direction of the show. The huntsman's story was just getting interesting, and then he's killed off. Are the writers going to keep doing this, as they hyperfocus on the "stars" of the show, i.e., the mayor and Emma? Whomever made the analogy between last week's show and Dynasty was spot on. I fear this is turning into a fairy tale/fantasy version of Dynasty. Yuck.
