Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORWEN: The one thing I don't like about the show is the way they have the wicked queen's castle look like some sort of futuristic science fiction thing that clashes with a medieval setting. It's all silvery looking and just doesn't fit its time period.
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne The past few weeks had left me feeling more than a little disappointed, but this weeks episode was great. I feel like they have opened the story up so much.. I have so many questions now and Rumpel, who was already by far the most interesting character in the show just became about 100X more intriguing to me. Mostly, I can't stop pondering does he love power so much that he can't let himself love anyone else.. I mean he fell victim to the curse because he was a desperate soul who wanted so badly to save his son. I wonder how much of his reluctance to keep kissing Belle was really fear it was a trap.. after all he should know that only true love can break the curse and that's not something she can fake.. I can't wait to see where they go with Storybrook Belle ( we don't know her alias name yet) and how things between Regina/Mr. Gold will change now that she definitely knows he is aware of who he was etc.. Which was the most frustrating part of this episode.. we all know that all he really had to do was say please, yet he chose not to. He has been keeping this all a secret for 28 years and only now has he chosen to reveal it to her.. which makes me wonder what larger scheme he has planned.. also how exactly did Regina pick that he knew? I suppose she must have suspected it for a long time.. I know he has given a few hints lately, but I felt they were more obvious to us ( eg. the 'please' clause) just because they were shown in conjunction with his flashbacks... obviously his reaction to the stolen cup must have cemented it in her mind but prior to that I'm not sure.. Also, can I just say that I LOVE my accent. I love Australian accents in general ( I know mine isn't the stereotypical Aussie one) but I HATED hearing it from Belle this episode.. it sounded so out of place and made me cringe every time she opened her mouth.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Belle' s accent was no more out of place than any of the other's. Why would all these story book characters, except for a few speak with American accents? Because the actors, except for a few, are American. Except for Carlisle pitching his voice differently, no one is working with dialects at all.
Originally Posted By lesmisfan i loved this episode and I too feel that things will get more interested now that regina and mr.gold know that each others nows they are aware of their pasts from another time!
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 Just figured out that "Belle" was on "Lost." It was driving me crazy last night trying to figure out what show she'd been on. Thank you EmmaJayne for giving me the "hint" about the Aussie accent Rumpel's glistening face makes it hard for me to watch him. Kind of gaggy. I didn't love the twist that Rumpel was the Beast. Interesting and I'm going with the flow but still an odd twist to me.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I also thought it was strange to have Rumplestiltskin as the Beast, but I like what they've done with it so far. To me, this one seemed the most like they were completely throwing out the original fairy tale, as there were minimal elements of it left (girl being kept against her will, falling in love). It was also weird that they put so much emphasis on the chipped cup, since (I believe) Chip was only in the Disney version of the story. While they definitely set up a lot of interesting things in this episode, I thought that the most important was establishing that a kiss can cure any curse. This helps explain what needs to be done in the future, and also shows why Regina has been so obsessed with Mary Margaret and James. Since the original curse was based on their happiness, it would logically need to be their kiss to solve it. And speaking of figuring out who actresses are, I'm watching reruns of How I Met Your Mother right now, and I just realized that the actress who plays Emma also played Zoey. Yah, I'm a little slow, okay?
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne ^^ it took me a while as well.. The first two episodes it was driving me nuts! I knew I knew her but couldn't quite place her.. Quick trip to IMDB and I was slapping my forehead! .. Also they believe that Beauty and the Beast was originally written to calm the nerves of young girls vein married off to older men. As in some sort of ' he might look bad now but maybe you will find true love' so from that background, I thought having Rumpel as the beast worked quite well!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I didn't care for this past weeks episode at all. I didn't like this transgression from what is perhaps the best done Disney Princess story. In my opinion the storyline was completely horrible. Rumple is inheriently evil. To have Belle fall in love with with someone inheriently evil is soo wrong. It is encouraging young girls to marry murderers. And Garcon was a likable character who untimately turned into a rose presumably to die. So totally wrong. The entire point to beauty and the beast is to teach people to overlook physical appearance and to look at ones inner beauty. This past episode basically encourages young women to fall recklessly in love with dispecable murderers ( Rumple killed the blue fairy and presumably Garcon ). Where is this show going? And what messages is it sending to our young? Thank goodness we always have Walt Disney's films to fall back on. Just wish the Disney Company demonstrated a bit more unifority with it's television network.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Only in Hollywood do killers ultimately become heros. In the real world they kill their sons with hatches while Child Protective Services social workers are outside calling their supervisors while watching the house blow up. Just how naive and incredibly stupid does ABC think their typical viewer is?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Rumple is inheriently evil.>> Rumple is Gollum. He was transformed into an evil person when the curse was passed onto him. He was a desperate and weak human being trying to save his son. That does not make him inherently evil. If you're looking for a Fairy Tale character who comes closest to being inherently evil, that would be the Evil Queen. She's the one holding Belle in the basement of the hospital. She's the one who used Genie to kill off her husband so she could take the throne, which was obviously her goal before marrying the guy. I'm not sure what show you were watching, but I didn't get the message that Disney wants young women to marry murderers. Belle saw through the pain and anguish of Rumple and tapped into his humanity buried deep beneath the spell. And Rumple was able to break through for just a moment and allow himself to love another person. That's the moral of the BatB story, to see others for what they truly are, and accept their humanity. I believe that message came through quite clearly on Sunday night.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I can easily see both your points. It's a matter of interpretation. This series obviously wants its audience to think outside the proverbial box. Things aren't always as they appear and one has to be broad minded to truly appreciate what's going on. One also has to be patient. ORGOCH: Well, my patience is wearin' thin in some cases. ORWEN: I just wish Snow White would hurry up and recognize her prince so he wouldn't have to come any more!
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Yeah, I'm sure everyone got the message. Children try to look beyond the fact that the guy who looks evil, is evil and has repeatedly murdered is actually deep down inside really a nice loving man. <rolls eyes> Don't know about you skinner box but none of my friends are murderers. Nor am I emotionally attached to people who physically and/or emotionally abuse others. You do realize that the leading cause of death for women in the USA under age 40 is domestic violence, right? Every ten minutes a woman is physically abused in domestic violence in the USA. Every 45 minutes a woman is killed. But your right we are suppose to look beyond that. We are suppose to be a loving, caring, forgiving society. Shame about all those victims. Sometimes evil is just plain evil. It really is that simple. Thanks Disney and Hollywood for trying to convincing gullible women otherwise. That episode is send the wrong message to children. Oh and by the way Gollum stayed evil. He couldn't be cured, kiss or no kiss.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox KT, you are the mayor of Crazy Town. We know the backstory to Rumple. He was not an evil man before he acquired the curse. He was simply desperate to save his son. He is not 'just plain evil.' That title, as far as we know, belongs to Queen. Rumple is not some sadistic rapist or wife abuser. He's a victim of evil magic which has drastically changed his personality. This latest episode is not sending the wrong message to women. You are reading way too much into the story. In fact, you're reading so much into it, I'm surprised that you don't also have a problem with Disney's version, where Beast locks Belle away in the tower (at least until Lumiere helps him to see past his anger and rage) or forces her into starvation unless she only eats with him. Funny how you conveniently overlook those abuse issues while simultaneously ripping apart OUAT for their version of the story.
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 The actress who plays "Emma" also played "Cameron" on "House" for several seasons. I'm just now beginning to see her as Emma and not Cameron
Originally Posted By skinnerbox You're lucky, amazed. I've always seen her as Cameron. Giving birth on the Enterprise? Cameron. Going up against the Mayor of Storybrooke? Cameron. I loved her character on House, so unfortunately, that's what's stuck with me. Kinda like Brent Spiner as Data. No matter what I see Brent in, even without the makeup, I still see Data.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<KT, you are the mayor of Crazy Town.>> Wow, that's pretty insulting and crosses a line.
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 SO....what did we learn from this weeks episode? Were the fairies from a fairy tale that I'm not familiar with or was it all just a fantasy story built around Grumpy? It was an OK episode but what am I missing?
Originally Posted By EmmaJayne I thought this weeks episode was yet another rubbish 'filler'. I don't think they were the fairies from any particular story but more a bit of 'behind the scenes' at all fairies/ fairy godmothers, plus they explained Grumpy's back story.. Which I thought didn't really match up with the story he told Snow White while locked up that time? It was just generally a weak episode.. The whole hatching from eggs thing? Bizarre. I really loved the first few episodes of this show, I even enjoyed some of the backstories initially as I felt they were leading to something.. But after a fantastic back story on Jiminy we haven't seen him again! Things started to bug me with the Hansel and Gretl ep. It now seems that for every good episode you get two fluffy rubbish ones to pad the season out. Which is part of my issue withAmerican tv in general, a season doesn't have to be 20+ episodes. I'd rather a shorter season with better quality episodes than ten good ones mixed in with junk! I really hope things pick up again soon. Did anyone else see the recent panel interview of the cast and creators? Finally confirmation that until Emma arrived, Henry was indeed the only one who aged. Also that we will know more about August by the end of this season.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb This episode has two important elements. First it shows Belle is alive and free, proving EQ lied to Rumple and second it established that Rumbple/Gold has an interesting history with the fairies/nuns. So very likely when Rumple turned the Fairy Godmother to glitter in the Cinderella ep it was more personal than first thought.
Originally Posted By Witches of Morva ORDDU: I didn't think this latest episode was so bad. If there were any inconsistancies with previous episodes they went over my head. At least they explained why grumpy is grumpy. And the actress who played his fairy love used to be on ANGEL as Winifred or 'Fred'. Amy Acker is her real name and she's looking great. Such a fine young actress. ORWEN: I was a little surprised to see Belle was back, too. ORDDU: I must agree that it was rather silly for the writers to come up with this idea of dwarves hatching from eggs, though. ORWEN: Who lays all those dwarf eggs to begin with? ORGOCH: ABC-TV!!
