Originally Posted By bean "But in San Francisco? Is San Fran known for great restaurants?" yes including some very famous french restuarants. So how dificult would it be to accept a French restuarant within San Francisco. The area themed to a famous California city with a restuarant that would have an attraction base on the theme of the restuarant.
Originally Posted By Pinocchio85 Lots of cities have famous French restaurants. The connection is thin at best. This is just another lame attempt for Disney to squeeze more cartoon characters into areas where they don't belong. Not everything has to relate directly to California. But they should have a strong connection to the land in which they reside. Ratatouille take place in France, not San Francisco thus it should not be in a land about San Francisco. They should make a ride about San Francisco. I'll bet they haven't even thought of that! Of course there's no Pixar connection so that won't happen. If they replaced a classy film like Golden Dreams with a rat ride it will show just how low their standards are. They are willing to throw out California's rich history for a cartoon movie tie in.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 Bean, Ive heard from various sources that the area from Golden Dreams all the way through Pizza Omm Mow Mow will become part of the Victorian Pier theme...is that true? or will this area become a big San Fran district?
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster The Pier is big enough. San Francisco, as it exists today is a joke. One sad attraction, some restrooms, and an enpty building? It's outrageous. I would certainly hope that the (Route 66) area is entirely overtaken by the San Francisco theme.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> John Muir is the historical figure most identified with Yosemite. << See? I think of ansel adams. He'd make a lousy theme for a ride though. Like john muir is muuuuch better. >> Attractions are built to fit a paricular theme wthin a land that has a connection to the overal theme of the park. << I'm trying to keep up, but I still don't see the connection. Ratatouille "fits in" with a san francisco theme because san francisco has nice restaurants? Why not just say that san francisco has rats - it makes about as much sense.
Originally Posted By Nemo88 I dont think its because DCA has a limiting theme,I think Disney just wants to use Pixar in everything right now.Heck Nemo had nothing to do with "Tomorrow" and it was put in Tomorrowland.Is that to say the theme of "the future" is limiting?
Originally Posted By jonvn "its really hard to understand you jovn. Nothing seems to please you. " Actually, THIS does not. It's been gone over a bunch of times why, too. "In another thread you talk badly about Big thunder mountain and how it destroyed the outdated ad cheesy setting it replaced. An attraction with no characters" Yes, oddly enough, I actually expect them to do things right. However, I didn't complain about that ride because it had no characters, and did not say the setting was cheesy, I said it was out of place, and it is. "then you also criticized an attraction that has not even been built without knowing its quality or its possible storyline" If this ride is: 1) About a cartoon, they are doing too much of it. 2) About Ratatouille, a rat from Paris, in a park about California, it is out of theme, and has nothing to do with the park. Period. "Maybe we should just keep everything as it was in disneyland when it opened in 1955" Yes, jump right to that ridiculous nonsense to defend the current hacks putting nothing but repetititive junk in the parks.
Originally Posted By jonvn "not every single attraction has to be directly related to California. " Of course not. That's only the entire point and theme of the park, and almost nothing put in the place since they built it has anything to do with the theme of the park. This attitude only goes to indicate that the people putting stuff into these parks have absolutely no concept as to theming, beyond the exterior decor areas.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I think of ansel adams. He'd make a lousy theme for a ride though." He'd make for a nice photograph store, though. Or his name would. The fact is that there are so many different things that could be done that is within theme. The people doing the design and build of these rides seem utterly limited in vision and talent. And of course the argument in response is "Oh let's just keep it as it was in 1955." That's of course utter nonsense. If they really are going to put in a smaller indoor coaster, it could be themed to SF's hills, LA's mullholland drive, a drive through the sierras. A drive along big sur. The idea that they can't do this without attaching a cartoon to the thing, and one that has NOTHING to do with the area it is in is utterly pathetic. Literally. Pathetic. These people need to find new jobs, if they can't do the ones they are in now. And it is obvious they can't. But hey, it's not Barry Braverman screwing it up, so somehow it's better.
Originally Posted By barboy Why not an earthquake attraction for SF instead of some rat ride. "yes including some very famous french restuarants" Which ones? If you think SF is widely known for French dinig I just don't know what to say. As for restaurants SF is known first by seafood, followed by Italian(North Beach)and lastly by Chinese. And the only world famous eats(and I'm being pretty liberal with "world famous" here) I know about in SF are the Fog City Diner, Stinking Rose of the North Beach Italian district and possibly the Tonga Room at the Fairmont Hotel. There are countless LOCAL famous restaurants but so very few readily known outside of the Bay. How about the Equinox atop of the Hyatt? SF has no well known associations with France, none. SF is all about Alcatraz, cable cars, hills, Chinese, gold, harbor/sea, earthquakes, fog, homosexuality, sea lions, Its It ice-cream, Golden Gate, victorian style residences, steroids and baseball, Levis ect.
Originally Posted By kari12177 Mickey is way different than a rat, to me, it's disturbing, they could put in a ride that has to do with another disney-cartoon-movie. Not a cg movie.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Why not an earthquake attraction for SF instead of some rat ride. " I'd agree, except Universal has already done an earthquake ride....kind of makes that hard to then do, don't you think? "If you think SF is widely known for French dinig I just don't know what to say." I know. It's not. It's pretty stupid. San Francisco has a few good French Restaurants, but that's not really what it's known in food circles for. The whole thing is completely clueless.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I wouldn't say San Francisco is known particularly for French dining, but it is certainly know as a world-class dining city. If one widens the region to include Napa Valley (which Disney's own Napa Rose aspires to) The French Laundry is easily one of the most famous restaurants in the world.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss ^^Of course I should point out that the menu at the French Laundry is not classic French; the name has more to do with the building than what is served.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss Getting back to the point at hand, I'm in agreement with jonvn that Disney is watering down the theme in their theme parks by making these rather tenuous connections to theming with Pixar all over the place.
Originally Posted By barboy "I wouldn't say San Francisco is known particularly for French dining" You are being too soft. Why not just flat out declare that SF and France have nothing to do with eachother, nothing at all. If this were Baton Rouge, LA or Haiti then we got some common ground to work with. Now SF and Spain(or Mexico) I can work with and I could almost stretch out and painfully throw Russia in the mix too since she was all up in the northern California coast just 10 stone tosses away but not France. Please no French rats in Cal Adv.--- we got enough problems with that park as it is.
Originally Posted By barboy "except Universal has already done an earthquake ride" I fully anticipated someone bringing up Universal and there is merit in that argumnet too. But my quake would be complelely different than Universal's tram. It could be called "1906" or "The Great 1906 Shake and Bake" Imagine riding in a cable car and the streets start to crack and buildings sway and debris is falling everywhere and then the fire portion kicks in-- A true E ticket masterpiece.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Given Lasseter's involvement, is it surprising that Pixar is taking over DCA? Monster's Inc, It's Tough to be a Bug, Flik's Fun Fair, Block Party Bash, Midway Mania, Cars meet 'n greet, the rumored Cars ride and now Ratatouille.....I think there's justification for the frustration expressed in this thread. There is so much that can be done with the California theme that using so much real estate and spending so many resources for more non-California themed attractions seems like a recipe for failure.
Originally Posted By gadzuux Or a re-theming of the park. It doesn't have to be a dramatic change, just drop the 'california' and let it be "Disney's Adventure" so something equally vague.
