Originally Posted By WorldDisney And one last thing, if you noticed, I bowed out of this thread a loooong time ago and it wasn't until the last few months I started writing in this section again because like you I get tired of repeating myself . I ONLY commented again because I was just there and it was on my mind, espeically all the character crap Disney is trying to shove down or throats, so I wrote. But trust me, if it wasn't for the latest rumors of money and new additions going on, there would be little for me to talk about and promise to disappear again like I have the last several WEEKS until yesterday when I'm bored again .
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Hans, I won't 'tone down' anything. My opinions are mine and mine alone. I never ask you or others to 'tone down' anything you say, have I?" Again, you are exaggerating. Of course, you are entitled to your opinions, and it would be ridiculous for me to suggest that you are not entitled to do so. However your frequent use of multiple question marks, all caps, and dramatic comparisons (DCA = Bagdad) make you sound extreme. We get it already... DCA is not exactly your cup of tea. "According to you, either I must enjoy the entire park to enter it or simply don't bother???" Another exaggeration. "But trust me, if it wasn't for the latest rumors of money and new additions going on, there would be little for me to talk about and promise to disappear again like I have the last several WEEKS until yesterday when I'm bored again ." I hear you. I've been posting less myself. No need to vow to me or anyone else to disappear, though. Don't you think that is a bit drastic?
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Sorry, dude, that's how I roll. You should be use to it by now ;D. There is no WAY to emphasize things on LP like other websites, so that's what I do. Sorry, it won't change . As far as 'exaggerating', I think its safe to say about 80% of the time I'm nearly just joking, but apparently that doesn't translate very well here, but I think MOST people understand that. Dude, its the internet, lighten up ;D. Lastly, I'm not saying I will disappear for the sake of disappearing, but I'm simply making the point that I haven't spend much time on these boards dissecting DCA anymore because there is nothing else to say. I've known this since 2003, but if a thread sparks my interest, of course I'm going to post, but in all honesty, in the last year, I litterally been a post a month at most unless a juicey thread like this one come along. Most of my venom has been turned to HKDL lol.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Sorry, it won't change." That's fine. Then you will have to accept that others may find your style somewhat caustic and respond accordingly.
Originally Posted By bean "Hans, did you actually READ the entire post??? I was with my FAMILY, they wanted to go, not me . I was with my mother, uncle and his wife, who NEVER been there, because guess what, my uncle hated it so much the first time around, he never wanted to go again. But she really wanted to go and see it, me and my mother had MULTI DAY passes since we were at the resort for 3 DAYS and spent about 20% of all time there in DCA and offer to take her and so she could she it for herself since my uncle couldn't be bothered to step in the place again." I have gone to DCA more than once with people that go there already with an "I do Not like atitude" and have had the worst time. Almost beginnign to believe everything and feel every comment made by that person. Could that be the problem? Maybe you were releasing your negative atitude from the beginning of the day instead of making sure that your family had the best time ever. You would be amazed how much one person can ruin or pass their negativeity to others. One rotten tomato can easily ruin the rest
Originally Posted By jonvn "I have gone to DCA more than once with people that go there already with an "I do Not like atitude" and have had the worst time. Almost beginnign to believe everything and feel every comment made by that person" That is exactly what happens. I go there, have an ok enough time, and somehow no one I'm with is miserable. But if you do nothing but snipe and complain about the place all day, you're going to have an affect on those around you.
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<That's fine. Then you will have to accept that others may find your style somewhat caustic and respond accordingly.>> Dude, I been on these boards 7 YEARS now. I've gotten the gist how it works a long time long ago, but thanks ;D. For the record, I have made no enemies on these boards except one crazy guy in world events section who was unceremoniously kicked off awhile back lol, so like I said, most people know where I'm coming from and they all act accordingly . But we're all friends here .
Originally Posted By WorldDisney <<I have gone to DCA more than once with people that go there already with an "I do Not like atitude" and have had the worst time. Almost beginnign to believe everything and feel every comment made by that person. Could that be the problem? Maybe you were releasing your negative atitude from the beginning of the day instead of making sure that your family had the best time ever. You would be amazed how much one person can ruin or pass their negativeity to others. One rotten tomato can easily ruin the rest.>> Wow, dude, you read me like an open book....not ;D. *sigh*, yeah, that's EXACTLY what I did the second we entered the gates, complain, complain, complain. I told them not to bother with one ride because it sucks, don't waste their time at the movie, avoid Golden Dreams at all costs and so on and so on and so on. By the end of the 3rd hour, the entire group was ready to burn PP down . Listen, you just have to trust me on this one, or better yet just ask ALL the LPer's here who I have personally been in the park with, both PRO and ANTI DCA people and that when I go, I go to have a good time, period, otherwise why bother? With the few times I been with LPer's I can ganrantee you I don't spend my time bitter and negative because some moron forgot to add queue's to about two-thirds of the rides and route 66 is a joke, I just enjoy it just like I would Sixx Flaggs and KBF, no different (but I LIKE those parks too). And for the 1200 TIME, I think DCA is an OKAY PARK!!!!! I don't know how many times I can say this just like Hans have to keep reminding people he doesn't think the park is perfect, nor do I think the park is God awful!! I go there, I enjoy what I like there and then I leave, period. It doesn't sustain my interest for more than a few hours, it LACKS critical things for a Disney park and it doesn't immmerse me in any way, shape or form like DL do, so I.E., it sucks as a Disney park to me, but its a decent theme park WITHOUT the Disney name and when I go, I enjoy it for what it is. So, I don't bring anyone down of my 'hate and resentment of the place' lol. Again, ask any LPer whose been with me, I can bring the party regardless of where I'm at. I was born and raised in the hood, been in over 35 countries, including Peru (I left after the quake) about 2 days before I was in DCA a week ago and TRUST ME, if you're a traveller, a REAL traveller, you learn VERY quickly you get over things you don't like or bumps along the way and truly appreciate what you do like. I done it in 3rd world countries, I can do it for a theme park . Seriously people, its NOT that bad lol, but its sucky Disney park and I didn't have to remind my family of that when I was there since unlike me, they LIVE in L.A. and bother to skip it each and every year, and they don't even know of LP, Mice Chat or any of these Disney geek boards existance--just this geek . I don't exactly have to call them from Asia to remind them of that ;D. (Oh and btw, I was with the same people today at Venice beach and asked my uncle's wife, the newbie, what she thought about DCA again. In hindsight, she thought it was a little better than KBF because of the movies!! SEE, its not all negative lol)
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Oops, about Peru, I meant to say I left BEFORE the quake, my mistake.
Originally Posted By dshyates "For the life of me I cannot understand why people who find little or nothing to like about DCA keep going back, then post the same comments about the place here over and over." I haven't been back since dec 2002. And it has dropped off my radar until they entice me back. It may be on my horizon depending on what they do with the $1 bil. As I said before, the park originally was insulting. To let these guys off with "They simply didn't understand Disney's tradition of quality" is a CROCK. For at the same time they were building the starkly sterile DCA. They were building TDS. They understand themeing. It is obvious they built exactly what they intended to build. They thought it would be good enough. And that we stupid American boars wouldn't know the difference. I personally take offense at the attitude in which the park was concieved.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss I think that it is over-the-top to be personally offended, but that's your right. I'm also pretty sure I am not a stupid American boar.
Originally Posted By jonvn Do you have tusks? If you have tusks you might be a boar. Being personally offended by something like this is ridiculous. It's a theme park.
Originally Posted By jonvn But you know, you're probably not an English boar, they were hunted out in Great Britain and Ireland the 17th century. I'm now looking up information on boars. Fascinating reading.
Originally Posted By dshyates "They thought it would be good enough. And that we stupid American boars wouldn't know the difference." Appearently it wasn't good enough and we COULD tell the difference. Thus the $1 billion fix. Those guys were wrong and lost their jobs because of it. Now it seems as if Disney has decided to try and undo the damage.
Originally Posted By dshyates My question is when Pressler went to the LA Times and said "the park would be so crowded that it would be best to avoid it until after the first summer." Did he believe it, or was it a marketing plant to try and convince people that it was so fantastic that they had to see it.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I think he believed it. More likely he believed in his own infallibiity. I also think that what's helping disney to commit to this major retooling is the demonstrated viability of the DLR over the past several years. In other words - we got lucky. If the initial failure of DCA hadn't pretty much coincided with the well received 50th anniversary celebration, and the boost in attendance and revenue, we wouldn't be seeing this kind of belated financial commitment to DCA.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "I think he believed it." I think he was hoping. Had the park met its first year estimated attendance it still wouldn't have been overflowing with visitors on most days.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I think he was hoping. Had the park met its first year estimated attendance it still wouldn't have been overflowing with visitors on most days. >> Of course, DL attendance was down double digits during the summer of 2001, too. So, I would venture to guess that DL fell short of its attendance estimates during the same period.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes, no one seems to be willing to look at everything as a whole. They look only at a 7 million figure and nothing else. It's really a silly viewpoint. What the additional money shows is that they think there's a lot of growth potential. A lot of people can't seem to understand this.
Originally Posted By dshyates Ah, yes, the old 9/11 answer. And don't forget the rain, it rained a lot. Forget that they already knew the park was in trouble prior to 9/11. Its those darn terrorists. Thus the MSEP ressurection. Of course DCA has a lot of growth potential. But I don't believe most of it will go into growth seeing that there is little room to grow into. But a billion into the remaining timon lot would make a definitely killer land Sorry, District. My bet is they will do a lot ot tearing down and covering up. Not simply plussing an already popular park. They are putting $300 million more into the fix than the original construction price. This at least shows me that these new guys get it and are determined to actually do what is necessary to fix it. And they believe it will take that much to fix it not me. So they must really believe the place is a mess.
