Originally Posted By retlawfan peeaanuut: Again, sorry for "picking" on you. You were there . Yeah, a lot of times I don't care for Walmart when they are a mess. But got to love thoase low prices. Helps living in California. <<Why was this proof not required prior to hiring?>> I hire people in my business, and have no problem getting documents prior to hiring people. There are ways of verifying the documents too. So, there really is NO excuse for companies not having all of the proper documents in place prior to hiring a person, unless they just don't want to know. And, in some cases, I'm sure this is what happens. When companies purposley hire illegals, they should be charged with a crime. If no one was hired illegally, and Walmarts prices had to go up, then that is the price we pay as comsumers.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Of course, I don;t like that Wal-Mart is trying to get away from using the term "Merry CHristmas", but that is another thread, I guess. >>> I guess you'll have problems with Disney as well. I just got my DL AP newsletter, and noticed that even though there's a resort-wide celebration of "the holidays," it's almost completely devoid of metion of Christmas, except for the unavoidable such as mention of the Christmas tree and mention of the ABC WDW Christmas Day parade.
Originally Posted By scottie I don't think companies purposely hire illegals. It is very easy to have legal documents and never know that that person is using someone elses legal document. I didn't know until I had to ask those same questions when I wondered how we could have allowed our store to be put in that position. Family members share their legal identities. People sell their own identities. I will say again, there will always be a way around the system because of their determination to work.
Originally Posted By peeaanuut I dont think its the companies specifically, but there could be that 1 guy in hiring that bends the rules. Its comes down to, someone knows. Maybe not everyone, but someone knows.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I don't think companies purposely hire illegals. >>> Oh, there are certainly businesses, sometimes large, and sometimes even representative of their industries, that most definately hire illegals with full knowledge. They certainly have "plausible deniability" in that they require documents, but they do the minimum necessary to validate them (which in most cases means simply accepting them at face value without verification if they are not obviously counterfeit). <<< I will say again, there will always be a way around the system because of their determination to work. >>> This is a very vague response to the situation. Such a response could be given to almost any societal problem: high school and college kids will always try to get fake ID's to buy alcohol before they turn 21. Because of this, should we just have no enforcement of the underage drinking laws? People will always try to work around mandatory automobile liability insurance requirements. Because of this, should we not require drivers to carry insurance? I think there's a lot we can do incrementally to improve immigration law enforcement, and that many of the proposals are relatively straightforward, simple, and would greatly improve things even if they don't provide a total solution. But there are strong forces from both sides that want to provide lip service about immigration law yet at the same time prevent any substantial improvement in compliance.
Originally Posted By scottie <<they do the minimum necessary to validate them>> I agree with what you are saying, SuperDry. I'm not arguing that we shouldn't take reasonable measures to enforce our policies. <<high school and college kids will always try to get fake ID's to buy alcohol before they turn 21>> I also wouldn't hold the store responsible if they followed the law and store procedures and the ID turned out to be fake. I've seen a lot of fake credit cards and IDs that look and feel like the real thing. I feel that if the people who have the power didn't benefit so much from illegal aliens, there would be more action towards compliance. I don't claim to have any idea what should be done or where the responsibility ultimately lies. It just surprises me sometimes how people can react to these stories and think that this issue has anything to do with Walmart.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< I feel that if the people who have the power didn't benefit so much from illegal aliens, there would be more action towards compliance. I don't claim to have any idea what should be done or where the responsibility ultimately lies. It just surprises me sometimes how people can react to these stories and think that this issue has anything to do with Walmart. >>> Well now we agree completely. It's definately true that many of the "enforcement" systems we have in place for any number of situations are designed to provide lip service and the appearance of "doing something" about the problem while at the same time providing effective safe harbors for the very people that are driving the abuse in the first place (and who happen to have friends in high places). It's a very difficult problem to solve.
