Originally Posted By MPierce >> Oh, BTW, here's the latest moron report: <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/money/...it_N.htm" target="_blank">http://www.usatoday.com/money/...it_N.htm</a> Socrates << I am totally baffeled by this statement.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros "There have always been a number of LP folks over on Mice Chat." Not always, MC is only 5 years old. There were a bunch of people who tried doing both right after MC started, and over the years they've pretty much stopped posting entirely on LP. It hasn't been a sudden thing, but I do think it's contributed to the quiteness around here. As for not having any information available for Fantasyland, I really don't know what to say. I was thinking more about how things have been handled on the West Coast (press releases and videos about every time a construction worker sneezes), so I have no idea. Maybe it's because nobody's really all that excited about a meet and greet forest?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think SD's right about social networking replacing message boards. I think it's true both generally and specifically on LP. There are plenty of people who used to post on LP's message boards who now spend all their time on Facebook.>> I am sure that is part of it. Facebook, Twitter (is MySpace dead?) and the ilk seem to be crack for the masses. I don't get it, but I am a private Spirit by nature. No one needs to know what I did today (but a large gator, not of the AA, was part of it!) unless I choose to tell them. Even though I have some REAL world friends here, there are things I would feel very comfortable telling them privately that I have no desire to put out to the world (and there is NO privacy/security in cyberspace) so FB will never be for me. I also really don't want to talk to people I went to high school with, except for the select few who are in my life today. I just don't get it ... <<I wonder if message boards are going to die out, replaced by social networking sites or whatever comes after them. Things come and go. Remember Usenet?>> I remember more than I have forgotten.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I think if Disney doesn't do something terribly interesting soon we'll lack a common interest though. >> Well, they are now denying blame in killing the young monorail pilot and demanding the mother take them to court (I hope she collects a HUGE settlement!) ... and there was some news of a bus crash near EPCOT ... isn't that interesting enough for ya?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Sometimes I think reality is an over rated myth. >> You could be right. >> I guess I'm basically only asking my pal, Pierce ... because the only place anyone talks anymore on this site is World Events and I don't venture there except to read which posters are crazy and which posters should likely be institutionalized! << <<World events is filled with scarey people. I think we have some rousing discussions that lean towards World Events, here on the WDW forum, that at least seem to ne more civilized.>> I pride myself on civility ... unless I'm high on pixie dust then I am not responsible for my actions! I admit to being tempted to post on WE of late, but I always get smart. It does seem like many folks only post there, which to me is a strange thing since we should be talking about Disney and themed entertainment here (or mostly!) >> I'm guessing that Disney has done a great job of killing forums like this both directly (Disney Blog, D23) and indirectly (getting into bed and doing the nasty with anyone who will simply whore their product). Or maybe everyone is just really bored with Disney ... I could understand that at WDW ... but even the three DL boards here have less traffic then some decomissioned parts of Route 66! There's definitely something going on because it's affecting all Disney fan sites ... but I live for conspiracy theories! << <<I agree. There is definetly something taking place, and it seems it is much harder to get people fired up about anything in the Disney forums.>> I see lots more posts today, so maybe I stirred things up a bit ... but I'll be taking a spring sabbatical from this site in a week or two. But I do enjoy stirring the caldron (although that should be the Witches' responsibility!)
Originally Posted By -em >><<I think SD's right about social networking replacing message boards. I think it's true both generally and specifically on LP. There are plenty of people who used to post on LP's message boards who now spend all their time on Facebook.>> << Without opening a can of worms most people on this board would prefer to stay closed I think a lot of the exodus from LP for the last few years which has picked up steam in the last few months particularly has to do with the current attitude of what is an "allowable" opinion and what is not. I'm so tired of it to the point I have stopped reading and posting in almost all sections, WDW Gen used to be the exception but now I find myself drifting farther away waiting for a glimmer of the "Old LP" to return along with dozens and dozens of others. -em
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I on the other hand believe just the opposite. Why must I be branded a racist if I disagree with the President's policy?>> You absolutely shouldn't be. That behavior is sickening. However, it doesn't change my belief that much of the criticism toward the current Prez is because 'he isn't one of us' ...oh, and I have not been a huge fan of his work, thus far. Of course, the other party has just decided to say NO to everything and act like the next three years don't matter. With the USA in the state it is in, I find that behavior disgusting and reprehensible. <<I am a conservative. That normally puts me opposed to policies that are contrary to my political philosophy. When will certain people begin to understand those simple facts of life.>> I get it (moreso than you likely could know). <<I really couldn't stand George W. Bush because he went so totally against where a conservative stands when it comes to fiscal responsibility. He was just like his Daddy when it came to domestic issues. He was much more interested in foreign policy. That's what made both him, and his father lesser Presidents than they were perceived to be by their base. Now, does that make me a racist? Of coarse not, I'm only a racist if I say the exact thing about a President that happens to be of a different race than myself. Talk about fair!>> I actually supported Bush's daddy (shocking, I know!) ... and nothing above makes YOU a racist. I don't want to talk about you though (unless I can take my cheap shots!) ... I am talking about the great unwashed, unthinking masses. You know ... the ones who fart in your face in a queue at the MK and think it's funny! >> All this anger of healthcare for people?!?!? << <<This country has become more divided than ever, and it's basicly over an agenda that has been forced upon the American people. Look at all the polls. They tell the story.>> Agree about the division ... but see, I've been angry since the Clinton years and it increased exponentially under W. The agenda of off-shoring jobs, taking care of Wall Street and Big Business (even when unethical, immoral and illegal), starting a quagmire of a war that I in no way, shape or form support, spying on US thru the Patriot Act etc ... THAT AGENDA is what angers me and has. Trying to fix a broken healthcare system doesn't anger me at all. Again, there's a large portion of our population that believes medical care isn't a right. That belief imemdiately causes me to generally dismiss them. I've watched healthcare disasters in my own family and those of friends and co-workers. If my taxes are constantly going toward things I disapprove of, then those healthcare haters are going to have to deal with doing likewise. <<You want to hear something scary? >> Not really ... besides, Lost is coming on shortly and I will get lost for that! <<<a href="http://blog.heritage.org/2010/...s-in-it/" target="_blank">http://blog.heritage.org/2010/...s-in-it/</a> Just listen to the Speaker of the House, third in line for the Presidencey, explain that we have to pass a bill into law to find out what's in it. Now that really sounds like the America that so many have made the ultimate sacrafice so the beacon of freedom shines for the rest of the world to see. That's why the anger.>> I understand. But does anyone to this day know what's in the Patriot Act? And did anyone ever know (except likely Cheney and his Blackwater pals)? >> I don't care whether you agree with it, disagree with it, or (like me) think it has flaws but support it because it is so much better than the status quo. << <<You don't even know the full content of this massive bill. How can you be sure it is better than the status quo?>> Because the current system is a disaster. Period. >> But where were Tea Parties and such vitriol and anger when the prior Prez started a war that has cost us billions (or trillions, who really knows?) and countless lives for NO good reason? << <<The Tea Party was starting to form when W. started his socialized program of taking over, and bailing out corporations. It is growing now because H. has not only continued down the same road, he is also expanding it.>> And I never have nor will support it. I don't believe in 'too big to fail' at all. <<You over simplify the war in Iraq because you are opposed to it. Here are the facts. Iraq was a threat to the supply of oil in a very unstable Middle East. Iraq would attack non-agressive neighbors in order to gain a strong hold over the flow of oil. See the invasion of Kuwait. See the unprovocted attack on Israeli citizens in the hopes of starting a Jihad. Shall I continue with the constant violation of the peace terms or the denial of allowing UN inspectors to do their job?>> Nope ... because I am running out of response time here. Iraq wasn't a nice country. It was run by an evil man. But we had no business going over there and we lost world support that was almost unanimous post 9/11 after it. Cheney and his buds wanted it and they used the fear of terrorism to push Congress for it. <<If W was such a dunce how did he manage to fool not only our allies, and our Congress into believing that Saddamn Hussein was a threat to the stability of the World, but also the American people. Pretty good for a moron. >> See above. >> Where were they when using 9/11 as a pretense he tore up our Constitution and basic rights? Where were they when the current guy didn't immediately (or yet now) shread the Patriot Act? << <<Good questions. Why hasn't President Obama lead a charge to have the Patriot act removed, and why hasn't it's Constitutionality been tested in the Supream Court?>> All VERY good questions. <<You really seem to be angry with the Tea Party movement. Why is that? aren't you willing to have folks attempt to buck the status quo or is it just that you are diameticly opposed to their views?>> Honestly, I feel that most TPers have an IQ of an average winter day in Wasilla. That's based on listening to them and reading what they have to say. Not simply judging them. Because, believe me, I am all for less government in most cases. >> ... I dunno ... just thinking out loud and since no one is here I doubt anyone will join in ... but it sure seems like all the racists and all the 'I don't like that he's not one of us, but I'll keep an open mind' racists are out in force. << <<Are racist really out in force or is it just regular folks with a different point of view. Would you consider me a racist for my differing views?>> Nope. And I am not speaking of you. I would NEVER use that term to describe you. But I doubt you are naive enough to not think it is a factor. This IS the USA and he IS the first Prez of color in a very messed up era. Only a fool would suggest that racism isn't simmering below the surface in many of the attacks on the man. >> But what do I know? I hate WDW and have been calling folks 'babykillers' all day! << <<Since you have made several references to this I'm assuming you are making reference to remarks made by people from the Tea Party. I guess that would go along side what my lovely Congress person as well as some others that have made accusations of the use of the "N" word also. Personally I haven't heard any tape of it yet, but why would people lie about such horrid things being said. I want everyone to understand that I do not condone such behavior, nor do the vast majority of my party.>> I just think it's funny to call people baby killers for kicks ... it's like ripping fanbois on a Disney site. A Spirit's gotta have some fun in this absurd world. <<Now should we condemn an entire movement or an entire party for the actions of a very few nuts? Would you apply the same treatment to those on the left? >> I have said and maintain the firm belief that most folks are crazy. And that it has little to do with political affiliation/beliefs etc ... Anyway ... I am off to dinner and Lost ... will check in later. But glad to see I sparked some interest!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It seems like people no longer take an interest in posting.>> I take an interest ... just not as much as trying to figure out just what the deal is between Jacob and Flocke.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<It's nice to have an endless source of money....or is it?>> I'll let you know when I get one ...
Originally Posted By Socrates RE: posts 76 & 77: I'm actually trying to follow the teaching method named after me, a method preferable to my stating an opinion because (knowing how these boards are) I doubt you'd believe my opinion anyway. Having said that, I think a case can be made that Saddam had been neutralized and remained a threat to his people only. Further, I think the current oil market is a two-way street: yes, we need the oil, but the oil producers also have to sell it. And if memory serves, Saddam was deeply in debt because of his military spending and palace building. So perhaps we would've gotten the oil anyway; the only question was at what price? Socrates "I know nothing except the fact of my ignorance."
Originally Posted By Socrates RE: post 78, I think I've outsmarted myself, because the article has disappeared. Anyway, this article did express optimism for GM's future, and I mention it because I've recently seen several posts denigrating GM's management and the bailout in general. Personally, I am not happy the bailout was done, but there is at least a chance the deal could actually work to the government's advantage in the long run. Now what was this thread about again? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Now what was this thread about again?>> Toyota taking over management of the WDW transportation department. (tasteless shot No. 2 hurled at Toyota)
Originally Posted By alexbook Wow, this thread moved quickly. I wanted to follow up on something way back in post 70: MPierce: Usenet was a message board-type system that was very popular way back in the 1980's among nerds (back before nerds became cool). I used to spend hours every day participating in chats there. It seemed like Usenet would last forever, and in fact it's still around, sort of, just barely, but hardly anybody goes there anymore. Message boards like this one replaced it. Someday, something else will replace these. It's the Circle of Life. (I had to get a Disney reference in there somehow.)
Originally Posted By mousermerf Side note - when do you suppose we'll get the NTSB report on the monorail accident?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 "I admit to being tempted to post on WE of late, but I always get smart" stay smart Spirit - don't do it - you'll regret it - trust me. \there is no middle ground there..
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I don't get it, but I am a private Spirit by nature. No one needs to know what I did today (but a large gator, not of the AA, was part of it!) unless I choose to tell them. << Have you been poaching aligators in the Everglades again? >> I remember more than I have forgotten. << And I have forgotten more than I remember.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Well, they are now denying blame in killing the young monorail pilot and demanding the mother take them to court (I hope she collects a HUGE settlement!) ... and there was some news of a bus crash near EPCOT ... isn't that interesting enough for ya? << That is pure unadulterated stupidity on Disney's part. They would be well advised to take their lumps quietly, pay the money, and hope it goes away. Although the press has been relentless in pointing out this tragic death, every time there is an acident on WDW property.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I pride myself on civility ... unless I'm high on pixie dust then I am not responsible for my actions! << Pixie Dust is a dangerous highly addictive drug! >> I admit to being tempted to post on WE of late, but I always get smart. It does seem like many folks only post there, which to me is a strange thing since we should be talking about Disney and themed entertainment here (or mostly!) << Posting in WE can cause impotence. Use caution.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Without opening a can of worms most people on this board would prefer to stay closed I think a lot of the exodus from LP for the last few years which has picked up steam in the last few months particularly has to do with the current attitude of what is an "allowable" opinion and what is not. I'm so tired of it to the point I have stopped reading and posting in almost all sections, WDW Gen used to be the exception but now I find myself drifting farther away waiting for a glimmer of the "Old LP" to return along with dozens and dozens of others. << Without naming names or going into detail, could you give an example Em?
Originally Posted By FerretAfros I don't know if it's what she's referring to, but I've certainly noticed WE leaking out into the other sections, often where there is no real relation to the topic being discussed. They come as tangents, which I'm fine with, but end up highjacking the threads into something that I don't even want to read about here, let alone discuss. It seemed like the general rule used to be that tangents are allowed, but politics need to stay in WE. The mods have always been a little more lax about what's said in WE, but it seems like they're keeping those standards for things that are being said in non-WE threads that have drifted away from the topic. It's probably not the worst thing in the world, but I don't really enjoy it, especially when I'm going through a bunch of threads at once and come across several in a row that are simply complaining about former Presidents.
