Originally Posted By disneydad109 well if we didn't win or didn't lose,you got me stumped.So I guess I will just go on my happy way.BYE BYE
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<People around the world cheered when 9/11 happened, as it was seen as our comeuppance, something we had coming to us.>> That's a crock of crap. We had the world's sympathy (except from Muslim nations) after 9/11. We managed to blow that sympathy shortly afterward because of the invasion of Iraq, but we definitely had it for a while. To say otherwise is foolish.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>well if we didn't win or didn't lose,you got me stumped.So I guess I will just go on my happy way.BYE BYE<< The point is that hyper-patriotism inflated our role while it simultaneously diminished the Russian's role. I'm very proud of our nation's part in winning World War II. There's hundreds of awe-inspiring stories around our participation and the men and women who fought and who died for their country. Given that, why exaggerate our role?
Originally Posted By disneydad109 I really can't think of any other nation that has done as much as the USA and not looked for anything in return. if you have done it ,it not bragging.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I really can't think of any other nation that has done as much as the USA and not looked for anything in return. if you have done it ,it not bragging.<< As far as empires go, I'd agree with that. I do think we've comparatively acted with a lot of restraint. The problem isn't that the U.S. is evil or something, it's that we're so convinced of our own perfection and greatness, even attributing it to the will of God, that we won't fess up to a mistake or see ourselves as fallible. That attitude leads to debacles like...oh I don't know...Iraq.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 I think we need to do the same thing we did in vietnam,claim victory and run like hell.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The point is that hyper-patriotism inflated our role while it simultaneously diminished the Russian's role.>> There's a difference. The Russians were fighting to save their homeland. We were fighting to save others’ homelands. Although the Japanese bombed the naval base at Pearl Harbor (Hawaii was not a state then), there was no credible threat to the continental United States. The United States took over 400,000 military casualties saving other peoples' butts. That is pretty darned selfless in my book and has never been equaled by any other country on earth. Not even close.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///there was no credible threat to the continental United States./// But the US built bunkers, fortifications and earthworks on the California coast complete with long range/heavy artillery...... early on in WW2 there was a very real perceived threat of a homeland invasion.
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///People around the world cheered when 9/11 happened, as it was seen as our comeuppance, something we had coming to us./// Yes they did....... but who was doing the cheering and dancing in the streets? The followers of Islam, particularly those in the Middle East.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>The Amricans by Gordon Sinclear, from 1973 worth a few moments.<< Oy vey. That was a Canadian radio commentator praising the US for all the tax money they were sending to foreign governments. Surely you're not in favor of that. Do you think when you listen to this stuff? EVER? By the way, It's "Sinclair." And "Americans." And this is 2010.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Don't tell me...let me guess. The next thing you're going to say is that the Holocaust never happened, right? Or that Russia would have spent over 2 seconds liberating France, or any other country for that matter other than themselves? Some of you need to get your collective heads out of your collective butts and take your anti-American tainted opinions to actual history books and see how they actually measure up. This country has made many mistakes, no argument, but it didn't always act based on a total self-involved mode. It isn't as evil as one might be led to believe.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Some of you need to get your collective heads out of your collective butts and take your anti-American tainted opinions to actual history books and see how they actually measure up*** Well, yes and no. My Grandpa, who was in the Pacific for the Great War, never talked much about his experiences except to say on thing over and over..."never forget, history is written by the winners". And that's certainly true. Even looking at WWII, there were plenty of actions by the allies that were, to say the least, extreme. Hitler devestated the innocent population of Coventry, and in response (or, perhaps...revenge?), we (the Allies) firebombed the shit out of Dresden to the point where it stacks up right there with what happened in Hiroshima and Nagasaki (oh, yeah...we also nuked people). YES, you can look back at the books and say it's because we were fighting evil regimes bent on world domination...which was certainly so. But then again, if we'd tempered our responses just somewhat would that really have affected the endgame? (this is a HUGE argument which one could go round and round in circles debating, but the final fact is, we DID destroy entire cities, entire populations (in Europe I mean), hundreds of thousands of kids and elderly, AND a couple of nukes. And that was the "good" war. Since then, we've done some other bad stuff. Does that make me "anti-American" for pointing it out?
Originally Posted By disneydad109 Mawnck, I don't like sending my tax dollars overseas,but it's the american thing to do. Bye the way thinks for the spell check. I can't spell very good,hit in the head once to often I think !
Originally Posted By Mr X ***I don't like sending my tax dollars overseas,but it's the american thing to do*** Spoken like a true Republican.
Originally Posted By disneydad109 hpefully the dems also want to help thier fellow man. At least I think they do.
