Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <<This topic was about the effigy-not death threats, or other news (horrible yes, but not on topic here-but start one-might be interesting).>>> I guess I am still confused.. I thought you were upset because this didn't get enough out rage (which it's been on my news channels like crazy)... And your outrage was because of violence towards women being on the uprise... <<I call it an act against women everywhere>> It wasn't an act against women - it was a very horrible political stand... If it was a an act against women why did they have McCain in the set too? I really think you don't want anyone to agree with you in general - Everyone has agreed it was a horrible display showing no class and a very bad political statement. It really has nothing to do with women -
Originally Posted By barboy ///violence towards women being on the uprise.../// ---sounds stupid enough to come out of NOW camps even though it's actually on the decline.... major decline compared to years back
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains ---sounds stupid enough to come out of NOW camps even though it's actually on the decline.... major decline compared to years back >>> I really don't know either way --- I was only repeating OP's original statement against this being called art.
Originally Posted By dshyates The only person who called it art is the guy who put it together. It appears to me as if the OP just wanted to attack Democrats. Frothy, nonsensical railing.
Originally Posted By barboy ///I really don't know either way --- I was only repeating OP's original statement against this being called art/// Yep, I know
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I do. It has been taken down, and while it likely should never have gone up, once there, it had every right to stay. They were bullied out of their free speech rights. <a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-palineffigy30-2008oct30,0,3167657.story" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...57.story</a> "I may not agree with what you say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." -Voltaire
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Voltaire is often alternately quoted this way as well: "I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it." Once we lose this, where are we?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>It has been taken down, and while it likely should never have gone up, once there, it had every right to stay. They were bullied out of their free speech rights.<< You mean by all those other people who were also exercising their free speech rights? Sounds to me like this is a textbook example of how free speech is supposed to work.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Sounds to me like this is a textbook example of how free speech is supposed to work." No. As long as it was on their own property, they had every right to leave it. People can throw fits about it, but they shouldn't be able to force them to remove it.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>K2m-you and others like you belittle what others say all the time-here and on the other sections. You consistently pick apart and twist around. << Maybe if you weren't overly emotional, you would comprehend the fact that pretty much everyone was agreeing with the larger point, that the effigy was in poor taste. Agreeing. Unsatisfied that everyone was agreeing, you went off. You were the one who started the belittling in this thread, once again. Post 15. Instead of discussing it with Dabob, you had to make snarky remarks about his reading ability and so forth. Snarky has become your signature over the years. Perhaps world events is too much for you, and you'd be better served attempting to lash out at people in other sections.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <My complaint which I have said over and over is that the outrage of the Palin effigy was non-existent (when I originally wrote my first post). THAT'S the difference.> Well, this is simply not accurate either. There was plenty of outrage over the Palin effigy, and it was instantaneous. Both among her partisans, and even among those who don't much like her. On the news shows, on the internet, pretty much everywhere. As soon as they reported it, tons of people had the same reaction you did. To say the outrage was non-existent is simply not accurate. The creator of the effigy showed no remorse, but of course why would he? And they showed a handful of people laughing at it, but that's called "creating controversy" a.k.a. "creating interest/ratings." Most people were either outraged, or thought it was in poor taste. But being on private property, the guy left it up (until recently).
Originally Posted By dshyates dlkozy didn't post this to express outrage over the effigy. She couldn't care less about the actual effigy. I didn't see her post about the Obama effigies or the dead bear cub with the Obama sign wrapped around its head. She posted this simply to rail on Democrats.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>No. As long as it was on their own property, they had every right to leave it. People can throw fits about it, but they shouldn't be able to force them to remove it.<< No one forced them. That's my point. >>ChadMichael Morrisette, a professional window display designer who set up the life-size mannequin of Palin, said Wednesday evening that he had met with West Hollywood Mayor Jeffrey Prang and decided it was best to remove the decoration. "There was a huge mob scene," Morrisette said of the onlookers -- and protesters -- the display attracted. "The whole thing became a life of its own." Steve Whitmore, a spokesman for the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, said that Morrisette and his partner invited Prang into their home for a "heart-to-heart" about the display after a man parked in front of their home, his black truck bearing a male dummy wearing a noose and T-shirt that read, "Chad, how does it feel?" Earlier in the day, about half a dozen residents went to the home on North Orange Grove Avenue and held up light blue sheets, trying to block the mannequin from the view of passing motorists, Whitmore said. Morrisette said his neighbors were mostly concerned that the Palin effigy would cast a bad light on the city's gay community. The display includes a mock-up of presidential candidate John McCain sitting in a chimney surrounded by paper flames. "They told us, 'We respect you as artists, we're just concerned about the effect on the community,' " Morrisette said. "I don't resent them. I'm not angry at them. I respect their rights." << See? Free speech FOR BOTH SIDES. That's how America rolls. Or it's supposed to, anyway.
Originally Posted By mele Yeah, I don't think the guys were "forced" either. Everyone here exercised their freedom of speech. Everyone has the right to an opinion and that includes negative opinions or backlash against the original opinion. These guys did something really offensive, not funny. (I'm a little scared of someone who would find this funny.) They deserved the backlash they got. Ultimately, they decided to take it down but they weren't forced.
Originally Posted By barboy ///Okay I am confused... Everyone here basicly agreed with dlkozy about the effigy being wrong/// Well not so much with me. I disagree with dlkozy's stance that the representation: is against women is not art, mockery and/or political expression is disturbing I also call the notion that 'violence against women is on the rise' nonsense. Where I do agree with dlkozy is that an O figure would draw far more scorn and outcry. I say this because people tend to be ignorant of broad history and that PC virus has infected them.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder <a href="http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10851853" target="_blank">http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_10851853</a> And now there's an ignorant, idiotic woman in Redondo Beach who has hung Obama in effigy, slitting his throat and cutting him in half. She doesn't like him because he doesn't wear a flag pin.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "No one forced them. That's my point." The mayor coming to your door with a stack full of e-mails from people who have complained doesn't sound like government coercement to you?
