Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Dave, I take it you haven't read book 7 yet?" Nope - Sarah has and I will get around to it. I used to love HP - but his 'tude in Order of the Phoenix put me right off and I stopped reading half way through. Sarah says 7 is back on form, so I might get around to it again. So my anger at J.K. Rowling and my love of Star Wars wants Palapatine to win, even though I know Voldemort would probably kick Darth Dideous's butt.
Originally Posted By Mr X Sure it's a "weapon" (so aren't fists, really), but in other words if they weren't "holding" any weapons, Sideous can still use the force (throw stuff, choke, lightning etc...). Voldy can't do anything significant without a wand, he said so himself. So wands and lightsabers are fair game. But not troops.
Originally Posted By Spooky Ghost Voldemort could just imperio Palpatine into hurling himself down that oddly placed death start shaft thinger... Or I mean just use that handy avada kedevera...
Originally Posted By Mr X Oh I dunno. Lightsaber blocks abracadabra. And the imperio thing is just like using the force. It only works on the weak-minded (Harry blocked it, remember?)...no way that would work on old ice-vains Darth Sideous!
Originally Posted By Altadisdude The problem is they both have a death backup plan. Voldy in the form of his Horcruxes and Palpy in the form of clones he can transfer his spirit to. Until the respective heroes come along and destroy these plans they are both effectively immortal. In a one on one fight to the temporary death I would place my money on Palpatine. The force requires no gestures, words, or objects to function and it warns it's users of impending danger and Palpatine is an amazingly powerful force user. Before Voldemort could aim or say the magic words Palpatine could rip the wand from his hands with a thought(ala Han Solo's Blaster at the dinner table with Darth Vader). He would then be free to kill him with a "flick" of his mind in one of many horrible ways.(Knowing Palpatine I'd wager on Lightning)
Originally Posted By DAR I think Palpatine would win, he doesn't need to say anything to use his Force Lightning, while Voldemort would lose a few precious seconds announcing what he was doing.
Originally Posted By jasmine7 Voldemort hands down. As for Dar's contention that Voldy would announce what he was doing with his spells, well, in book 6, the kids at Hogwarts were learning to cast spells mentally without having to verbalize them. With all the effort and research Voldemort went through for his power, I have trouble believing that he couldn't cast his spells without verbalizing them if he wanted to.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda I'd have to say that it would be mutually self assured destruction. Voldemort would throw his spell at the same time that Palpatine shot his lightning, and neither would have the time to respond.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'd say Voldemort. The guy can appear and disappear at will. You can't kill what you can't find.
Originally Posted By barboy I don't think Palp is as powerful as most might think. Mace W. defeated him pretty convincingly in part 3 and even a broken down Darth V. took him out in Return of the Jedi.
Originally Posted By AuroraRose damn wish i had read a harry potter book. all i can add is: it's unwise to underestimate the power of the dark side
Originally Posted By Mr X >>I don't think Palp is as powerful as most might think. Mace W. defeated him pretty convincingly in part 3 and even a broken down Darth V. took him out in Return of the Jedi.<< This I don't buy. He killed 3 jedi masters in SECONDS not to mention defeating YODA for Pete's sake! My theory on Windu is that he was faking it to lure Anakin in to "save" him. As for Vader in the end, it was the Emperors overconfidence that did him in. He just never conceived the fact that his slave would turn on him, so he never prepared for it. No, Palpatine is one nasty, powerful dude.
Originally Posted By Mr X I don't want to throw any spoilers in here, but to speak generally Avro he definitely DID gain power...in much the same way The Emperor did.
