Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^^Good points Mr. X, But, honestly, I was trying to be as WIDE open as possible so people would know I was as fair about this as possible. As for the monorail, yeah, I only put there because MM had one although it's nowhere CLOSE to as nice as DL's and you're right, it's really only a copy of DL's idea anyway, but I was trying to go for as wide of an interpretaion as I can and even then, I still only got 10 freakin attractions . In your opinion, what about the DCA stuff? Is there anything on that list you would elimanate or add?
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>In your opinion, what about the DCA stuff? Is there anything on that list you would elimanate or add?<<< It's all crap, except for soarin. And maybe Tower of Terror, but that's just a copy too. I'm surprised you didn't add that coaster...as cheezy and cookie-cutter as can be!!
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>In your opinion, what about the DCA stuff? Is there anything on that list you would elimanate or add?<<< It's all crap, except for soarin. And maybe Tower of Terror, but that's just a copy too. I'm surprised you didn't add that coaster...as cheezy and cookie-cutter as can be!!
Originally Posted By WorldDisney ^^LOL, and people say I'm harsh . Like I said, I'm just being fair, I'm simply trying to point out the OBVIOUS mostly and really that list of 14, the MAJORITY of attractions in DCA, is fairly obvious to me. Yeah, like I said, I didn't list Screamin because it is at least somewhat original on one hand, but the actual experience is really no different than you find anywhere else, so it cuts both ways . As for TOT, well, that's a COPY of a Disney attraction, but it definitely IS a Disney attraction, bar none and a great example of what Disney does. Instead of just making a typical drop ride, they went out of their way to theme the hell out of it. Gave it a great motiff, set in a specific location and time period, based it in a hotel and the best thing of all, used a very familiar tv show to bring it all home and they did a GREAT job with it. THAT'S a Disney attraction. If you want a NON Disney drop ride attraction stolen from KBF....you have the Maliboomer ;D. And that's DEFINITELY on the list!!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "It's all crap, except for soarin." Don't agree. Soarin', ToT, Muppetvision3D, ITTBAB, Animation, Monsters Inc, and even Grizzly to a degree are quality Disney attractions, without a doubt. And I would say Seasons of the Vine and Golden Dreams rival some of the stuff at Epcot.
Originally Posted By jonvn "These rides may be take offs on "carney" rides, but what Disney did is take something mundane and turn it into a magical themed experience. " Hello, Wrongway.
Originally Posted By jonvn "His [Walt's] most depressing experience was seeing Coney Island. It was so battered and tawdry and the ride operators were so hostile that Walt felt a momentary urge to abandon the idea of an amusement park." I don't know if this has been covered by other posts, but this doesn't say he didn't like amusement parks, it says he didn't like them being battered and tawdry with hostile employees. I guess he went to Magic Mountain. As has been said by others, he wanted to build a family park, and when asked why when they were so awful, he said "That is the point, mine will not be." That's what he wanted to build. People twist stuff into whatever they want all the time.
Originally Posted By jonvn "If you're not interested in drinking, no one should try to make you feel like you should." Study after study have shown that people who drink moderately live better and longer!
Originally Posted By bean Its interesting to listen to everyone point of view. The truth is that no one knows what walt would or would not have liked by using books as references or quotes that he gave during a very important time in his life. Walt needed to sell his park and make sure that it outshined any other park. If people looked at concept art and ideas that had been invisioned for Disneyland they would notice that he was not against the ideas that some people claim to say he was. Walt was against the way those sleezy amusement parsk were run. The way they were maintained and the way the workers treated their guests. Some artwork for the park clearly show areas that dealt with amusement themes, circuses and other carnival like areas. Some of those were built and others were not both because of financial stress and others because they could not be executed like Walt wanted. Some ideas get lost and never resurface others eventually are noticed by someone else and expands on it. Screamin (no not an off the shelve coaster) had been an idea for several years. It had been proposed for more than one park, yes even Westcot. Eventually it became the focus of a pier like setting that was borrowed from other concepts. Good thing is that people discuss the ideas and i am glad that its been in good spirits. One thing that we all agree in is that mistakes were done with DCA. Ideas for the park in my opinion had a good foundation but were not executed to its fullest potential. I actually think that even if DCA's Pier had gone with more typical amusement rides, the ambience and overlays of the attractions would have given the area a much more lively atitude. That alone would have blocked out the cold feel of the land. The original concpet art showed that vibe that was lost at the end. Of course the key point would have been making sure that the theming would had been enough to cover the fact that they would had been generic attractions. The rest of the park could then have been built with the more lavish highly themed attractions.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Screamin ... It had been proposed for more than one park, yes even Westcot." That's right. I had forgotten about that.
Originally Posted By bean yes and its actually built in pretty much the same location. and for those that say its an off the shelve coaster. Well they are wrong, it was built specifically to fit the design chosen by Imagineering
Originally Posted By labretbear The Progress City/E.P.C.O.T. model on the second floor of the Carousel of Progress featured an amusement area of basic carnival rides.: a merry-go-round, a double ferris wheel, etc.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<"dumbo and teacups are as "carney" as can be" These rides may be take offs on "carney" rides, but what Disney did is take something mundane and turn it into a magical themed experience. >> Oh BS... When I was a tot (millions of years ago) we had a dirty little amusement area attached to a dirty little local zoo. (Both have been much improved since then...) One of the attractions there was the "HELICOPTERS". It was exactly like Dumbo, except you were seated in Helicopters, and as with Dumbo you used a bar to control the height at which the helicopter flew. That ride ROCKED!! I was riding that attraction while the 50's "Whirlybirds" TV show was airing and it was the COOLEST thing on earth to be piloting copters just like the guys on the show. A couple of years later my grandparents took me to California and we went to Disneyland. Although I really liked some things there (especially Matterhorn and Peter Pan), I thought Dumbo was the lamest danged thing I had ever seen. Even at a tender age I was aware enough to know that Elephants don't fly. Period. I don't care what some dumb cartoon showed. Helicopters DID FLY, and that ride was a whole lot cooler than these stupid elephants. So why don't all you teens and twenty somethings stop trying to tell people WHO WERE THERE what 50's theme parks were like and what attractions seemed better themed and provided more enjoyment. Because frankly, you have absolutely no clue.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<50's theme parks >> "50's theme parks" should (obviously) be "50's amusement parks".
Originally Posted By GhostHost2 "The Progress City/E.P.C.O.T. model on the second floor of the Carousel of Progress" Is this atop the current COP? If not where was it?
Originally Posted By labretbear The COP at the MK only retaains a mofified version of the theatrical portion of the show. However a small portion of the model is on view from the Tomorrowland Transit Authority. When the model existed in full as the finale to DLs version of COP it took up 3/4 to 4/5 of the second floor. Here's an image to give you an idea of the size: <a href="http://www.yesterland.com/images-background/ge_progress_6.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.yesterland.com/imag es-background/ge_progress_6.jpg</a> And here's the view from the MK TTA: <a href="http://www.yesterland.com/images-tomorrowland/progress_citywdw.jpg" target="_blank">http://www.yesterland.com/imag es-tomorrowland/progress_citywdw.jpg</a> Neither shows the amusment area, but trust me it was there. In fact there's carnival style music heard in the COP score during the Progress City model sequence to underline it's presence in the model.
Originally Posted By jonvn Yes, the amusement area was there It was cool how it lit up.... That was such a great show, the one in Disneyland...the one in FL is not quite as good.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA They even reference the amusement park in the script FATHER: "And speaking of parks, outdoor lighting has added hours to our recreation time. We have night-lighted stadiums, ball fields, golf courses, we even have our own amusement park." MOTHER: "It's not exactly Disneyland, but it is clean and bright and lots of fun."
