Originally Posted By WilliamK99 these sanctions are necessary in order to serve as a deterrent!<< These sanctions are overkill, EVERY individual who was involved in the coverup has left the University. So who are we punishing? Nobody in the school right now was involved in this... Basically what happened is similar to Beauty and the Beast where Gaston riled the townspeople to storm the castle. Basically the media has riled everyone up to go for blood over these charges. Yes what happened was horrible, but the person who did it is in jail forever, and those that covered it up either died or resigned in disgrace... Now you are punishing thousands of others who had nothing to do with this..
Originally Posted By dshyates The college of Penn State made millions $$$ since this started. Had Paterno and Co. been prosecuted when this happened, Penn State would never have made the millions it did since 1998.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda If this was overkill, then the sanctions handed out against USC and Ohio State were worse then overkill. I think this punishment is proper and correct.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 If this was overkill, then the sanctions handed out against USC and Ohio State were worse then overkill. << The NCAA has destroyed Penn State, the university will never recover from this... Ohio State and USC are free to violate NCAA rules another day...
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 The college of Penn State made millions $$$ since this started. Had Paterno and Co. been prosecuted when this happened, Penn State would never have made the millions it did since 1998.<< Hence the mob mentality, have you even researched the case? Had they come forward in 1998, they wouldn't have been involved in the coverup, hence the University would not be at fault. The coverup more or less started in 1998 which is why the NCAA chose that year. So no, Paterno wouldn't have been prosecuted in 1998.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>So who are we punishing? Nobody in the school right now was involved in this...<< Members of institutions who choose to stay at institutions after its discovered those places covered up child sexual abuse deserve whatever they get. See also, the Catholic Church.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Even if the individuals are no longer with the institution, the institution itself still exists and still enjoyed the use of the money that was generated by the program.
Originally Posted By barboy Some of you sound like you want harsh punishment, maybe we'll just call the place "State Pen" .
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 As a Wisconsin fan, I'm okay with these punishments and with Ohio State on probation, it just means the path to another Leaders division title got a little easier. In all seriousness something needed to be done with Penn State, you can't cover up something as serious as child abuse and not have repercusssions. Yeah and it sucks for the current players because they had nothing to do with this but that's the way it's always been with the NCAA.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I need to go back to bed! I'm grumpy and conservatives are pizzing me off way too much this morning!
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 The thing is, the players can transfer. And, any incoming players can choose to go to another school. Sure, it's not a good situation for Penn State, but the students do have a choice, and they aren't being forced into the punishment. If I were looking at schools, I would try to get a scholarship at another school and just not attend Penn State.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom As far as I'm concerned Penn State's entire football program should have been shut down permanently. But, because of Penn State's greed everyone looked the other way and subsequently there were more victims. Some victims have been demonized for going on two decades by Penn State students, faculty and fans. Instead, the NCAA should be looking for another school to include in it's program. A school worthy of being a part of the NCAA.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom It's time for the NCAA to give someone else a chance. Penn State messed up royally.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom In the end the NCAA circles it's wagons around Penn State. The whole thing is so lame! <a href="http://www.latimes.com/sports/college/football/la-sp-0724-dufresne-penn-state-20120724,0,3487062.column" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/sports/...2.column</a> <<It did not invoke the so-called "Death Penalty" and order the football program closed for at least a year — could you imagine the Big Ten scheduling conflicts?>> We don't know how many victims are out there, or how many times they were repeatedly violated on the Penn State campus, that apparently plenty of people suspected ( even some sports reporters assigned to Penn State ) and the college football sports community is concerned about a "scheduling conflict"? <sarcasm> Oh, and by the way sports writers, way to go for report the crime of the century in the sports world! <sarcasm>
Originally Posted By barboy Before I learned of the following sanction I just saw this story as a whirlwind of hysteria: it seems State Pen gets 100 wins removed. That has to be one of the strangest, most non sequitur, completely irrational disciplinary moves I have ever heard. "Joey, because your report card shows a 'D' remember those very fun 8th, 9th and 10th birthday paties you enjoyed? well guess what? They never happened. I've already erased the digital photos and videos to make sure of that.....Oh and we're taking away all of your trips to WDW from 2007 to 2011 as well. Those, too, never happened" What's next? Nixon was never president. It did not happen as proven by having his AA removed from the HOP and his presidential portrait burned.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Who cares? The players and fans still had the experience. So it will no longer appear in the record books, or will appear with an asterisk? So what?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>That has to be one of the strangest, most non sequitur, completely irrational disciplinary moves I have ever heard.<< Hw do you punish someone who is already dead? By affecting their legacy. Paterno coached into his 80s because that legacy was everything to him -- let's face it, part of this cover up was protecting the Penn State brand but also Paterno's legacy. The NCAA instead places a major asterisk next to his name forever. Die hard "JoePa" fas will pretend it isn't there, but for everyone else, it leaves a blemish on his legacy where it mattered most to him -- in the "wins" column.
Originally Posted By hopemax I have a hard time when the NCAA doles out any of the recent punishments. In 1993, a month before I started college, my school the University of Washington was sanctioned. 2-year bowl ban, 10 lost scholarships each year for 2 years, loss of tv revenue and probation. The crimes were the quarterback accepted a car loan from a booster based on future NFL earnings, and a few players were paid by a booster for summer jobs that they didn't have to show up for. There was no ruling that the coaching staff or university was in anyway involved. But the NCAA thought they should have known anyway and so slapped them with the "lack of institutional control." Only now, almost a decade later, with the arrival of Steve Sarkisian, can you even talk about the UW football team without people snickering. And they still can't really hope to do better than 3rd in the Pac12 North. So when I hear about all that went down at USC, all that went down at Ohio State, and now all that went down at Penn State, and how the coaching staff were complicit in the violations, and I see that they get no worse than what we were stuck with, (or in Penn St's case twice what we were stuck with, for crimes a million times worse), I want to scream. And everyone someone says, "It's not fair what they got," I want to punch someone. No one stood up for my school, and no one even talks about it when they bring up other sanctions. And from where I sit, what Penn State got is too little.
Originally Posted By dshyates "Hence the mob mentality, have you even researched the case? Had they come forward in 1998, they wouldn't have been involved in the coverup, hence the University would not be at fault. The coverup more or less started in 1998 which is why the NCAA chose that year. So no, Paterno wouldn't have been prosecuted in 1998." I was referring to if the cover-up that started in 1998 had been discovered back then when it was taking place. People would have gone to jail, and Penn State would have imploded at that time. The University itself, has profited tremendously from this crime.
Originally Posted By barboy ///How do you punish someone who is already dead? By affecting their legacy./// I just don't see it that way. The dead won't be punished by screwing with their legacies. Legacies only affect the living. (Did I really need to write that being it was so obvious). So, at the core I completely disagree with your take. ///Die hard "JoePa" fas will pretend it isn't there/// 'Pretend'??? Isn't that exactly what I was getting at earlier with removing wins? Taking away wins doesn't change history.... nor would giving an honorary Major League Baseball MVP award to a dead great Black who played before Jackie Robinson. Reality trumps rewritten/revisionist history /// blemish on his legacy where it mattered most to him -- in the "wins" column./// And again, I don't believe that. Dude is dead so what he once cherished just doesn't affect him now. It will affect others but a big whoop dee doo to that since just about every one on this earth had nothing to do with those inappropriate shower games.
