Originally Posted By mawnck >>The NCAA instead places a major asterisk next to his name forever. << More than an asterisk. He drops from #1 to #12 on the all-time winningest coaches list. They also revoked his Gerald R. Ford Leadership Award. (No I did not get that from The Onion.) A tweet from Evan Royster: >>ah crap... so i lost every college football game i ever played in?<< <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/penn-state-stripped-of-112-wins-joe-paterno-no-longer-winningest-coach/2012/07/23/gJQAN64J4W_blog.html" target="_blank">http://www.washingtonpost.com/...log.html</a>
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>So, at the core I completely disagree with your take.<< Oh yeah? Well, maybe I'll come back and haunt you after I'm gone.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Dude is dead so what he once cherished just doesn't affect him now.<< Sportsmanship is not just about the number of wins, but HOW you win. Generally speaking, that means that "win at all costs no matter what" is not a value we want to promote to young people. That asterisk next to his win/loss record should serve as a reminder of that most basic premise. You can believe that adding that asterisk next to his name doesn't matter, but I disagree.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Legacies only affect the living. " Huh? A legacy is, by definition, what you leave behind after you're gone. People sometimes talk about a "living legacy" but that was originally an oxymoron (hence the need to distinguish it from a regular legacy). Language evolves, but that was the original meaning. And his family wouldn't be getting so upset if they thought it wouldn't matter to him.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb It matters that Paterno's legacy suffer, not because he can or can't regret his inaction, it matters because the next coach needs to see that attempting to protect his own legacy by not protecting children will now result in forever tarnishing it. There was an atmosphere of entitlement and winning at all costs that I am sure is not exclusive to Penn. That's fine, but when that attitude negatively effects innocents it needs to be dealt with, harshly.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Paterno's legacy changed from being a winning coach to a protector of child molesters. And rightfully so.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda Hence why I'm fine with the removal of the statue but the keeping of his name on the building (I forget which one)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip They pretty much HAD to keep his name on the building. His family contributed substantial funds toward its construction.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Hence why I'm fine with the removal of the statue but the keeping of his name on the building (I forget which one)<< The library. I liked the idea that, since the statue was such a lightning rod, they should put it on the roof of the library where it can serve as ... a lightning rod! Who's with me?
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Hence why I'm fine with the removal of the statue but the keeping of his name on the building (I forget which one)<< The library. I liked the idea that, since the statue was such a lightning rod, they should put it on the roof of the library where it can serve as ... a lightning rod! Who's with me?
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb I thought you liked to idea so much you wanted it at the top of the page, you know for easy quoting ;-). The JoPa lightning rod idea works for me!
Originally Posted By dshyates He's dead, let's move on and let him be forgotten except by loved ones......oh, and those kids he failed to protect. Who are probably praying he is in.... What?!? Dinner?!? Mom can't you see I am impressing my friends on the Internet right now? Sorry, gotta go!
Originally Posted By barboy ///Huh? A legacy is, by definition, what you leave behind after you're gone./// Well ya. I never argued against that so I'm not sure why the interjection. And, again, legacies only affect the living----meaning survirors/up coming generations.
Originally Posted By barboy ///And his family wouldn't be getting so upset if they thought it wouldn't matter to him./// I call it common funeral talk whereby survivors think that the one burried still feels and is present. So many think that way.....the ol 'rolling in his grave' theory. As for the Paterno family I'd bet that they are upset because this whole episode embarrasses them personally and not this "it just breaks Joe's heart that people say bad things about him after he's gone".
Originally Posted By Dabob2 ///Huh? A legacy is, by definition, what you leave behind after you're gone./// <Well ya. I never argued against that so I'm not sure why the interjection. And, again, legacies only affect the living----meaning survirors/up coming generations. > Well, that's why the interjection. It's a distinction without a difference to say it "doesn't affect the dead" when a legacy by definition is all about the now dead person, his reputation, what he wanted to happen that now may not, etc. etc. ///And his family wouldn't be getting so upset if they thought it wouldn't matter to him./// <I call it common funeral talk whereby survivors think that the one burried still feels and is present. So many think that way.....the ol 'rolling in his grave' theory. As for the Paterno family I'd bet that they are upset because this whole episode embarrasses them personally and not this "it just breaks Joe's heart that people say bad things about him after he's gone".> Why couldn't it be all of the above?
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 Personally I think they should melt down the statue and used to form the bars for Sandusky's cell
